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I hope some kind soul can look up Charles and Margaret on the 1861 to see if there are older children.

Off to bed now,

Good luck
selena

The amateur naturalist was very common in the UK in the 1800s, and even into the early 1900s. Think fo the number of vicars who spent much of their time naturalising, collecting plants, or animals or observing the stars, etc

Despite what we might think, many people even in the so-called working class educated themselves and became very competent naturalists.

They might contribute to the local Natural History Society, or work with someone at a local university or whatever.

It might be that your guys are among this group of people, and if so, it might be next to impossible to find out any more about him ................... except that he apparently considered it a more important part of his life than his "real" occupation!


sylvia

Is this the 1861 you wanted???


1861 Census

Name: Charles Parr
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, St James

Civil Parish: Westminster St James
Ecclesiastical parish: London
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St James Westminster
Sub-registration district: Golden Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92a
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Bocall 76
Susannah Freeman 21
Charles Parr 25 Tailor
Charles Parr 3 b.ca 1858, St Anns Soho
Margaret Parr 23 b.ca 1838, Westminster St James

Address:- 3 King Street, Golden Square

NOTE:- Charles jr. is marked on the image as DAU, there are ? against both the name and the DAU on the image.

It definitely is Charles written there though.



sylvia

Thanks for this guys!

I think I'm going to order a few of the certificates and any possible children of theirs as well, and see what comes of it!

I will update when I get them through :-)

Found the following which could also be Margaret and Charles' children:


Name: Sarah Harvey Parr
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 550 (click to see others on page)


Name: Phillis Helen Parr
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 494 (click to see others on page)


Name: Matilda Agnes Maria Parr
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 483 (click to see others on page)


Name: George William Parr
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 507 (click to see others on page)


Name: Jessie Parr
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 38_ (click to see others on page)


Name: Edward Parr
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Giles
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 341 (click to see others on page)



Name: Henry Samuel Parr
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 570 (click to see others on page)


And some deaths:

Name: Henry Parr
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 279 (click to see others on page)


Name: Jesse Parr
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 263 (click to see others on page)


Name: John Parr
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 308 (click to see others on page)


Name: John Parr
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 322 (click to see others on page)


Name: William Parr
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: _79 (click to see others on page)

I have to say the other thread had all this info.

I couldn't find the other thread.

Ozi.

Been at least 3 other threads on the same subject which is why I have ignored this one.

Sorry I just hadn't really had any other success with my threads, so did them on different boards a few days apart as I thought people would probably only look in particular boards, i.e. the Parr board might not be looked at that often.

Thanks a lot for all your help though, my certificates are on their way so fingers crossed there's some info on them which helps!

Hi guys,

I thought this might interesting to some of you who helped me out before. I ordered the death certificate for Charles Parr, which shows that he died in 1889 in the Central London Sick Asylum, Cleveland Street, Pancras, London. It lists his occupation as naturalist, and his residence as 44 Broadstreet, St James, Westminster, London. It also gives an estimated birth year of 1835. Hopefully this will help somewhat with tracing him!

Thanks again for all your help!

Amy, did you get Charles marriage cert to Margaret? Who was Charles father? There are two christenings on IGI right time but not in the Westminster area


Selena

Amy - you say 'this [death cert] may help in tracing him.'

Does this mean you don't think the censuses found already are him?

Ozi.

Well I wasn't sure as his occupation was different and that was all I really had to go on as solid fact - that and his name.

Yes the Charles marriage was to Margaret Murphy which is also on the IGI. Remembering off the top of my head, I think his father's name was Charles as well.

I'm going to do one last trawl of the BMD to check that no other John Parrs were born in the Soho area at that time. If not, then I think the odds are this is the right person!

Funds permitting I will be ordering the likely death cert of Margaret Murphy as well, which should correlate and further confirm these thoughts.

Thanks a lot for your help! I will carry on looking further, my plan is to visit the Westminster archives when I get a free minute and look at the parish and poor law records, which might give me more info.

Here is the marriage from the IGI. No mention of father though

CHARLES PARR
Spouse: MARGARET MURPHY Family
Marriage: 20 SEP 1857 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England

I think it is worth getting the marriage cert to establish Charles profession and his father's name.

What are the death's of Margaret's death registration?

Selena

Hi,

I have the certificate, and it says that Charles' father's name is Charles John Parr and he is also a tailor. At the time of marriage Charles was living at 14 St Anne's Court, and he was 22.

Can some kind soul find Charles and his father Charles John on the 1851 or 41?

Thanks,

Selena

possible death for Charles senior.

Deaths Sep 1875

PARR Charles John 63 Westminster 1a 293

and possible birth

CHARLES JOHN PARR
Christening: 15 OCT 1815 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England


Parents:
Father: JOHN PARR Mother: ELEANOR

Thanks for that Selena!

I've found the following census entries:

1841
Name: Charles Parr
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St James
Hundred: Westminster
Street address: Poland Street
Registration district: St James Westminster
Sub-registration district: Golden Square

His father's name is Charles with occupation tailor, born c.1811 St Martins London.

His mother's name is Mary Ann b. circa 1811

Also found them in 1851 living in West Street, Westminster.

I can't seem to find Charles John in 1861 though...

I've done a quick search of the IGI as well, and came up with this:

Charles John Parr marries Mary Ann Perkins 29 Sep 1834 St Anne Soho, Westminster.

Looks like we're getting somewhere!!!

Sylvia in Canada found 1861 for you on the previous page. He's with Margaret & eldest child.

Oops, sorry, you're talking about Charles snr.

Ozi.

1871 England Census
Name: Charles Parr
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Martin, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St James Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St John The Baptist
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 61 Poland Street

Occupation: tailor

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: Golden Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 9b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 780
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Parr 58
Mary Parr 58 - St Anns, Middlesex