|
They're not at 61 Poland Street in 1861. Nor in West Street. I can't find Louisa, daughter, either.
Ozi.
|
|
Thanks for your help everyone. I'm tempted to pop down to the archives tomorrow and see what I can find in the parish records. Not sure where I'm going to start though!
|
|
Amy, I've been trying to trace Louisa just to see if I can find her with her parents in 1861. No luck on that front.
However I think I may have got her. Bear with me.
In 1861 there is this Louisa, born in the right time & place. I can't find a marriage for these 2, but if you look at his 2nd marriage - coincidence or what!
1861 England Census
Name: Louisa Mary Lee
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: J C F
Gender: Female
Where born: St Jas Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Mansfield House, Adelaide Rd N____ [North, I think]
Occupation:
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 172
Household Members: Name Age
Justina Channing 20
J C F Lee 26 - engineer, St Helens Lancashire
Louisa Mary Lee 24
Fredk Lovell Lee 10 Mo
Mary Taylor 23
Cordelia Sarah Vokins 20
Susan Wenborn 50
All non-Lees are servants.
Births Jun 1860
LEE Frank Lovell Hampstead 1a 469
1871 here's the family, John CF is a widower.
1871 England Census
about John C F Lee
Name: John C F Lee
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead St John
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 2 Fairfield Rd
Occupation: Civil Engineer
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
John C F Lee 36
George Lee 8
Gay C Lee 6 [Guy]
Charles W Lee 5
Harry M Lee 4
Louisa M Lee 2
Mary B Lee 2
Jane McCreevil 19
Mary Smith 29
Cordelia S Vokins 29
Elizabeth Crop 26
Rebecca Golfin 27
Louisa Hamilton 40
All non-Lees are governess or servants.
Frank & a Herbert C. Lee are pupils in Frant, Sussex.
Deaths Dec 1869
Lee Louisa Mary 33 Hampstead 1a 446
Marriages Dec 1879
ALCOCK Elizabeth Kingston 2a 507
...>>>Lee John Cockburn F Kingston 2a 507
...>>>Parr Marion Emily Kingston 2a 507
Stevens William James Kingston 2a 507
1881 England Census
about J. C. F. Lee
Name: J. C. F. Lee
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryan E.
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Beckenham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Ravenshead
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Retd Civil Engineer
Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
J. C. F. Lee 47 - retired Civil Engineer
Maryan E. Lee 27 - Richester
Frank L. Lee 20 - Architect
Louisa M. Lee 12
Mary B. Lee 12
Ellen E. Bryant 18
Ann Keen 48
John Keen 42
Jesse Lane 25
Eljath Mc Kay 30
Lottie Smart 20
Sarah Strackhan 31
Edward Tapman 23
|
|
Wow thanks!
The only problem is that I found a marriage of a Louisa Parr in 1859 in Strand (same place as her brother Charles got married 2 years prior) which also seems to fit:
1859 - Jan-Feb-Mar - Strand (1837-1913) - London, Middlesex
Daniel Adams
....>>>>Louisa Parr
Robert Pritchard
Catherine White
|
|
1891 England Census
about J C F Lee
Name: J C F Lee
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marion E
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 9 Park crescent
Occupation: Civil engineer
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
J C F Lee 57
Marion E Lee 35 - Cheshunt, Hertfordshire
F L Lee 30 - Architect
M B Lee 32 [22 on image]
L M Lee 22
M V Lee 8
A M Lee 1
Barbara McWilliam 32
Kate Moore 22
Harriet Morley 24
John Passons 28
Louisa Smith 27
Annie Spinks 21
Mary Brown 37
Maud Cozens 22
A Hobbs 28
As usual, all non-Lees are servants.
|
|
Bummer. Must be just a coincidence.
|
|
I just read back through the posts and spotted the 1851 census that someone had posted with Margaret Murphy living with her mother (also Margaret, born in Ireland in about 1800) at St Anne's Court.
Can anyone spot them in 1841? I'm searching but not coming up with much!
|
|
Hi,
An update:
I received the birth certificate of Henry Parr (John's brother) which confirms that they are brothers, and that Henry and his parents Margaret Murphy and Charles were living at 14 Little Chapel Street, Soho, in 1864.
I also have the death certificate of Margaret Murphy which states that she was a seamstress, and died at the Workhouse on Poland Street in Westminster in 1875 of TB. The informant was Margaret Ellard, present at death.
Finally I have Charles Parr's father's death certificate (Charles John Parr). He died in 1875 at the same workhouse, aged 63. He was a tailor, and died of disease of the heart accelerated by fractured ribs - no evidence how caused - duration not known. It also states that an inquest was held on 5th August 1875 by Charles Bedford, the coroner for Westminster.
Is there any way I can get hold of info about the inquest? Might be interesting!
|
|
http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/docstores/publications_store/archives/infosheet9.pdf
This should help you with coroner's report.
Did you ever find Margaret in 1841?
Ozi.
|
|
This is how they're listed on the image. So it looks like Mary jnr & Margaret may be daughters of Mary snr. Catherine may be another relative, sister of Mary snr perhaps.
1841 England Census
Name: Margaret Murphy
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: St Anne Soho
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Bull Yard
Occupation:
Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Anne Westminster
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Murphy 37 - independent
Mary Murphy 12
Margaret Murphy 3
Catherine Murphy 20
All born Ireland
|
|
1861 England Census
Name: Margaret Murphy
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Westminster St Anne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 19 St Anne's Court
Occupation: laundress
Condition as to marriage: widow
Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 162
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Murphy 66
|
