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You've just sent me a big grin and giggle Kathryn, with your reply! :) Will keep you posted.
Charlotte.

It's funny -- I'd gone with the child-of-Elizabeth theory too, rather than the opposite. One gets used to one's female ancestors having children without getting married -- or at least being the ones who show up in censuses with the children they and the male persons in question had.

The other way around, William wouldn't actually be a Bastard. hahahaha. But his stepmother might have been a Fagg. hahahahahaha. Okay, I'm done now.

Do keep us posted! I always wonder. Just post an update in this thread and it will pop back up to the top of "my threads" for anyone who's posted in it.

Oh my! What a girth of information! Thanks Kathryn and Andrew.

I'm going to print out all your messages and go through the possibilities. I had originally thought that William might be Elizabeth's from another marriage and he could have been adopted. WHY I didn't think he could be Henry's from a first marriage I don't know! Changes a lot. Different perspective.

I had seen the Henry Newcombe - Elizabeth Bastard marriage reference but dismissed it - although I can't remember why. (I would love her to be a relative 'cos I just think the surname's so bizzare!I All my surnames so far are unexciting and non-grin-able) Actually probably because I assumed that William was Elizabeth's and Henry's and the marriage would be "too late".

I think I'll go with the second suggestion of ordering that 1839 birth certificate first. The birth certificates for the others are on order already (for Henry and Emma). Assumung that I've got Parish Records correct.

I'll keep you posted, if you like. Thanks for the other options, angles and viewpoints. I appreciate it - lots.

Charlotte.

Another marriage that could be the first:


HENRY NEWCOMB
Spouse: MARY ANN FAGG Family
Marriage: 07 NOV 1830 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

I wonder about this one in 1841 -- Henry and the other Newcomes are not born in county:


Name: Henry Newcome
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Seal
Hundred: Farnham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Ash

Marian Addison 30
Emily Broone 40
Mary Cook 30
James Cooper 35
Amelia Court 20
Caroline Freakes 15
Ann Green 25
Elizabeth Green 50
Sarah Holmes 35
Ann Hurt 35
Charles Mangles 40
Frank Mangles 2
Harriet Mangles 6 Mo
Henry Mangles 7
James Mangles 9
Rose Mangles 30
Rose Mangles 6
Cecilie Newcome 33 - wife of Henry
Charlotte Newcome 35 - listed under children
Elizabeth Newcome 35 - listed under children
Georgina Newcome 2
Henry Newcome 33
Jenny Newcome 4
William Newcome 3
Eliza Newman 25
Ellen Stock 20
Mary Sutton 15


No occupation listed, but listed under a ship owner at an address that seems to be Payle House.

On edit: nah, scratch that. Cecilia Newcome died in 1908.

There are other possibles for the marriage as well:

Marriages Dec 1838
Newcomb Henry City of London 1 63
Newcomb Henry Augustus Clerkenwell 3 31

Marriages Mar 1839
NEWCOMB Henry London 2 55

Of course, the transcription on that otehr 1838 one is wrong -- it's vol *2* page 63 (checked image). And that data matches with nothing, so whoever else is on that page is presumably mistranscribed too.


For the 1839 marriage:

AUSTIN Matilda London 2 55
CARTER James Hewit London 2 55
NEWCOMB Henry London 2 55
WRIGHT Eliza Sharp London 2 55

Possible 1st Marriage?


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1838 (>99%)
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BUNDY Joshua Clerkenwell 3 31
DEVERELL Elizabeth Clerkenwell 3 31
FREETH Henry Clerkenwell 3 31
LEACH James Compton Clerkenwell 3 31
MOODY Elizabeth Sarah Eldridge Clerkenwell 3 31
>>>>Newcomb Henry Augustus Clerkenwell 3 31
STEADMAN Mary Diana Clerkenwell 3 31
STOCKS Eliza Clerkenwell 3 31

Andy

Newcomb* deaths in Poplar in the relevant period:


Henry Newcomb 1841 Jan-Feb-Mar Poplar (To 1965) Greater London, London, Middlesex

Mary Newcomb 1841 Jan-Feb-Mar Poplar (To 1965) Greater London, London, Middlesex

Mary Newcomb 1843 Jan-Feb-Mar Poplar (To 1965) Greater London, London, Middlesex


Might those first two be Henry's wife and child dying in childbirth?

I'm sticking with my theory, that William was the child of a first marriage -- the space between him and the later children supports that theory too.

I'd get that birth cert, which looks very much like him, and see who the parents were!

Well, looks like William was Henry's, of course:

Name: William Newcomb
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Poplar (To 1965)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 2
Page: 285

Here's my theory!

Elizabeth was Henry's second wife, and William was her son (although he could be Henry's son with first wife; will look further).

Here's a marriage that could support the theory:

Name: Henry Newcomb
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Stepney (To 1921)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 2
Page: 447

-- Elizabeth Ann Bastard on same page.

I would appreciate a 1841 census look up for the following family, as I'm feeling like either I'm just plain stupid or they all never existed in 1841. I've done Ancestry, Free BMD, Roots, Parish records, even soundex'ed all the names etc.. No hope. Wits end!

In 1851 they live in 18, Regents Street, All Saints, Poplar, Middlesex.
Henry Newcombe (40) b. 1811 Islington, Essex (Bricklayer)
Elizabeth A. Newcombe (34) b. 1817 Isle of Sheppy, Kent
William Newcombe (12) b. 1839 Poplar, Middlesex
Henry Newcombe (4) b. 1847 Poplar, Middlesex
Emma Newcombe (2) b. 1848 Ditto.
George John (1mo.) b. 1851 Ditto.

Parish Records claims the last three kids were born in St. Ann's Limehouse. Same names and ages.

1861 Census calles Elizabeth A. "Ann" and her birth place is "Sheerness", Kent (which is on the Isle of Sheppy). And she's a widow. All other info. on kids and places is fitting and repeated, but William not in sight (again!)

You'd think Mum, Dad and William would be hanging around somewhere in 1841? And why a huge gap between William and Sibling Henry (8 years)?

Is there someone out there willing to puzzle with me?

With thanks and anticipation,
Charlotte.