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Hi Ozi,
I'm back again.

Thank you so very much for all your research.

I can now identify the men in uniform in my photo.

Charles Thomas Whittard Royal Engineers and his eldest son James Frederick Whittard Royal Artillery.

I have had the photo dated 1878 - 1880.

Thanks once again for all your input much appreciated.

Happy Christmas,
Dawn

I have searched & searched for any of the younger family in 1891 with no luck. Maybe they were overseas with their father.

I hoped they might be with Mary who married Robert Godfrey but no luck.

Ozi.

BTW - James in 1881 is born Tocester, Glos. [Towcester?] & he's a gunner in RA. [Royal Artillary?]

There are a number of barracks enumerated in 1881 in Portsmouth. He's at the General Wharf Barracks in Prospect Rd & Broad St.

Ozi.

I think I've found him in 1881. Now at Aldershot. No parents in sight. Perhaps Charlotte had died. Father on duty.

Name: Walter Whithard
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: 7 Denmark St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Whithard 19
Alice Whithard 16
Charles Whithard 14
...>>>Walter Whithard 10
Adda Whithard 5
Herbert Whithard 4

Everybody born Woolwich except Herbert.

Deaths Sep 1880
WHITTARD Charlotte 41 Farnham 2a 60
[Reg'n district for Aldershot]

We are on the right line.

I have his brother Charles service record from when he left the Royal Marines and joined the Royal Navy.

It's not him in the photo though as the men are in army uniform

Thanks to all who have helped, it's time for bed.
Will check for messages tomorrow.
Dawn

In 1891 brother Charles is in the navy. Looks like he was a Royal Marine.

Name: Charles H Whittard
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Crew
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: Royal Navy
Town: Portsmouth Dockyard
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: private


Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: Iron Duke


It's quite possible Thomas was in the army overseas because I can't find him in 1891 as yet.

Ozi.

P.S. James was in the army in the 1881 census Thomas would have been too young.

Dawn

Hi,

You have the right family for the 1871 census.
James being 11yrs and his yonger brother Thomas 1mth.

Could you lookup 1891 census for me for Thomas I need to see if he was in the army like his elder brother James?

Thank you,
Dawn

I've updated my post of 23:45:15.

Ozi.

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Cotterell Sarah Elizabeth R Wandsworth 1d 661
GOSLING Frederick James Wandsworth 1d 661
Gosling Fredrick James Wandsworth 1d 661
Hale Julia Wandsworth 1d 661
Whittard Thomas Walter Wandsworth 1d 661



Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
Whittard Thomas Walter Woolwich 1d 854

1901:
Name: Thomas W Whittard
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah E
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich

Civil parish: Battersea, Clapham, and Formby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Grocer's manager


Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 155
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W Whittard 30
Sarah E Whittard 32
Florence Whittard 8
Emily L Whittard 7
Richard C Whittard 4
Sidney Chave 20

That is the family of James Frederick Whittard of Gloucestershire. They are living in Woolwich with a soldier father.

Why don't you think this is your Thomas W? Have you got Thomas's birth cert?

Ozi.

1871 - Thomas's birth from census.
Name: Thomas W Whittard
Age: 1 month
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Warwickshire, England [image has Kent, Woolwich]

The image is quite difficult to read. I think he may be 4 months which would fit Glitter Baby's birth reg'n find.

Thanks for looking but it's not him.

My Thomas was born in 1869 at Woolwich his wife's name was Sarah Cotterill.
Dawn

1871:
Name: James F Whittard
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Towcester, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Whittard 31 - wife of Corporal of R.E. [Royal Engineers?]
James F Whittard 11
Mary E Whittard 9
Alice J Whittard 6
Charles H Whittard 4
Thomas W Whittard 1 month



I changed my original post as I found the wrong family.

Would someone kindly lookup the following please

Thomas Walter Whittard b 9.10.1870 at Woolwich.

I have an old photo with two men in mititary uniform but with nothing written on back.
I think I have identified one.

1881 census has a James Frederick Whittard b 1859 at Frocester Glos a soldier at Portsmouth.

As they are brothers I just wonder if Thomas Walter was also in the army.

Is there any way in which I could find out which regiment James Frederick was in?

Many thanks,
Dawn