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Please new eyes required. Joseph and Ann MORTIMER had a son George William, born in 1877. In 1881 census they were living at 11 Chapman Place, St Georges in the East. I CANNOT FIND THEM IN THE 1891 census for some reason. I believe Joseph died in 1883. George William joined the army in 1896 giving his name as George CRAWLEY. I cannot find a marriage between his mother and a CRAWLEY!! I know that people have been missed off the 1891 census or the entries are unreadable. If any kind person can point me in another direction, I would be grateful. Thanks in advance. Rose & Dave.

I've found his sister, Eliza A Mortimer, she is a servant:

Name: Eliza A Mortimer
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: East Dulwich
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur C Bennett 2
Charles E M Bennett 11
Ernest G Bennett 34
Frances E Bennett 37
Frederick B Bennett 10
George B Bennett 1
Lilian F M Bennett 5
Eliza A Mortimer 18

I can't even see them in 1881...........please give more info.

It is ESSENTIAL, when asking for lookups, to say where and when people were born.

Where they were living in any given year does not really help to find them at any other time.

Reg

Joseph and Ann were not at the above address in 1881.



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CROSBIE, Matilda Head Widow F 39 Tailoress
St Georges East
Middlesex
CROSBIE, William G Son Single M 6 Scholar
St Georges East
Middlesex
CROSBIE, George Son Single M 5 Scholar
St Georges East
Middlesex
CROSBIE, Sarah Daughter Single F 3
St Georges East
Middlesex
CROSBIE, Conyers T R Son Single M 0
St Georges East
Middlesex
MORTIMER, George M Son Single M 3
St Georges East
Middlesex

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
456 Folio:
104 Page:
25

Registration District:
St George In The East Sub District:
St Paul EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St George In The East Municipal Borough:
Address:
11 Chapman Pl, St George In The East County:
Middlesex

Thanks to Sam's having located the sister, I've managed to find 1881...........

Name: Joseph Mortimer
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Husband (Head) (Head)
Gender: Male
Where born: St Georges East, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 11 Chapman Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Lighterman

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Paul
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A. Mortimer 8
Joseph Mortimer 29

Ann was born Wapping c1852

Reg

Hello Rose and Dave,

Could this be your Ann in 1901? It states that she is widowed and as head of household. It also states that James is a brother (could be brother-in-law).

1901 England Census
about Ann Mortimer
Name: Ann Mortimer
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ratcliff, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Mortimer 60
James Mortimer 70

On the Image for the 1881 George is a Mortimer age 3 born St Georges East

I think the whole image is upside down & back to front lol

This also comes up for address search but it's diffrent to the one Reg found:

1881 England Census
about Ann Mortimer
Name: Ann Mortimer
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Wapping, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 11 Chapman Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Paul
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Malby 60
Ann Mortimer 29






Deb:)




Yeah Julie, I agree. They're all over the page for 11 chapman Place................................................lol

Here's Joseph with his parents and family in 1871.

1871 England Census
about Joseph Mortimer
Name: Joseph Mortimer
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph
Mother's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: St George in The East, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
Alexandra Mortimer 15
Alice Mortimer 9
George Mortimer 4
Jane Mortimer 42
Joseph Mortimer 45
Joseph Mortimer 19
Sarah Mortimer 6
William Mortimer 17

1891 possilby.



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CRAWLEY, Jeremiah Head Married M 34 General Labourer
Ireland
CRAWLEY, Ann Wife Married F 36
Wapping
London

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
288 Folio:
95 Page:
54

Registration District:
St George In The East Sub District:
St John EnumerationDistrict:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peters

Civil Parish:
St George In The East Municipal Borough:
Address:
4, White Thorn Place, St George In The East, London County:
London, Middlesex

Is the marriage for for Joseph and Ann?

Marriages Mar 1872 (>99%)
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Burwood Ann Mile End 1c 882
Mortimer Joseph Mile End 1c 882
Rissbrook Hannah Mile End 1c 882
STIMPSON George Mile End 1c 882

Here's the marriage record for Jeremiah Crawley:

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
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Brady John St. Geo. East 1c 760
CRAWLEY Jeremiah St Geo East 1c 760
Mahon Annie St Geo East 1c 760
Martin Martha St Geo East 1c 760

Found this record (this doesn't make any sense)

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Crawley Jeremiah Joseph St Geo East 1c 625
Gard Milly St. Geo. East 1c 625
Jacobowitz Louis St. Geo. East 1c 625
MORTIMER Annie St.Geo.East 1c 625

Dave & Rose. Wow!!! Great info. Thanks to you all. The trouble is trying to find the son of the marriage between Joseph MORTIMER and Ann Burwood. George was born Dec 1877,in St Georges in the East and appears on the 1881 census living at 11 Chapman Place, St Georges in the East. Great.....but where is he in 1891??? We Believe that Joseph died in1883. When George joined the army in 1896, he had changed his name to George CRAWLEY and stated that his next of kin was his mother, Annie CRAWLEY!! So perhaps, when his father died, he was brought up by the CRAWLEYS, although they were not married at the time. How confusing. Does this all make sense??? Dave & Rose.