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hi michelle
i'm trying to locate a Annie violet rayner parents she was born 1899 in hendon her father was a gardener and she had a brother called william. I've sent off for her birth cerf as i can't find her or them on the cenus at all.

Zoe

Do you know brother William's birth year?Found a 1901 for this family with a William and father a gardner and Hendon district maybe nothing but worth a look.No Annie but a daughter Lily.Are you certain of Annie's birth year?


1901 England Census
about William Rayner
Name: William Rayner
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Mill Hill, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Hendon
Ecclesiastical parish: Mill Hill St Paul
Town: Mill Hill
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Hendon
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Rayner 41
Elizabeth Rayner 45
Lily Rayner 8
William Rayner 10


Let me know if you can,and i will look further for you.

Michelle

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Hi Michelle Thanks for what you have come up with one name for a wife is a Jane Hepworth B1821 but not sure
on this regards Doreen

Hi Michelle and thanks for you offer.

I am looking for Mary Alice Sumner who from the 1871 census when she was married to George Rampton ,M.1869 in Mortimer , Berks .and born Newbury c1846.
I cannot find any record at all prior to the marriage except for a child born in 1866 in Rotherwick, Hants.
The child's name was Emma Jane Sumner ...I have the B. cert. but is named as Rampton on 1871 census.
Basically I am looking for Mary Alice Sumner before 1866

Many thanks Michelle......Lulli x

Hello Michelle,
I don't know if your offer still stands but I'm having no end of trouble trying to find out an ancestor on the 1841 census. I have tried Ancestry. com etc using all the various combinations of his name without any luck.
The ancestor is a JOHN (BULL) Binge born in c1786 I think in Yorkshire, but was baptised in Lincolnshire. His Mother was a CATHARINE BULL. He died in Sheffield in 1843. His wife and family were all living in Sheffield and his occupation was as a Pawnbroker.
Can you help please?
Michael

Hi Machelle,
Many thank's for finding my Blunn family, sorry so long getting back to you, I'v only just managed to turf grandchildren off computer.
Happy new year Gill

Lulli

Sorry been out for a bit! Taken a look-not much showing is there? tricky one this. I have a few like this in my tree and what i have found is the place of birth can differ from census to census and from person to person-ie Mum may give correct place of birth then grandad next census writes it as different and when the child grows up they often wrote place of birth as the last place they remember living as a child! Found this one Berkshire-East.Hanney but not Newbury but Husbands working tonight-not fair is it!so i'm online all eve once my daughter gets to bed so promise i will look further into this.

Here's one for now-

1851 England Census
about Mary A Sumner
Name: Mary A Sumner
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Ziba
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: East Hanney, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: East Hanney
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wantage
Sub-registration district: Wantage
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Henry R Sumner 1 Mo
Mary A Sumner 34
Mary A Sumner 2
Sarah Sumner 7
Selena Sumner 9
Ziba Sumner 37
Ziba Sumner 10

Happy New Year!

Hi Michelle,

Could you try to find the following person ( my Grandfather) in 1871 and 1881 Census. He was orphaned and ' put out ' to a Baker to learn the trade around 1870. Have him in 1891 and 1901.

ARTHUR GEORGE STANWAY ( reversible forenames)

Born 1863 Lambeth London Father Abraham George

May have been in workhouse/orphanage/school.

Thanks and a happy New Year

Hi Michelle , yes this is a difficult lady to find. I have seen the ones you have given me because all of the Mary A's were Mary Ann, not Alice also her Father's name was on her marriage cert. as Charles..Lab.

I thank you so much for your time and trouble Michelle..........Happy New Year

Lulli x

Roy-this is a tricky 1!Im breaking it down but its taking time.Lets start at the beginning...This i hope is the 1891 census you have with George-father?

1891 England Census
about Arthur Stanway
Name: Arthur Stanway
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Gorton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 72
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ada Marsh 16
Arthur Stanway 28
Emily Stanway 3
Florence Stanway 7
George Stanway 51
Henry Stanway 24
Herbert Stanway 9
Mary A Stanway 41
Maud Stanway 5
Rose Stanway 17
Ruben Stanway 14

Now i found this one...with his brother Henry mentioned on 1891 and Rose and Ruben,and father Abraham!Jobs matched for Henry on both census.We also have both mother Mary A

1881 England Census
about Henry A. Stanway

Name: Henry A. Stanway
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Abraham
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Windle
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 10 Brynn Street
Education:

Employment status:
View Image
Occupation: Joiners Assistant

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Stanway 40
Henry A. Stanway 15
Mary A. Stanway 30
Reuben Stanway 3
Rose A. Stanway 7

Think this is Henry's birth record-looks like his forenames move around too!.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Abraham Henry Stanway
Name: Abraham Henry Stanway
Year of Registration: 1865


Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d

This is Rose from above census's

1881 England Census
about Rose A. Stanway
Name: Rose A. Stanway
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Abraham
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Windle
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 10 Brynn Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Stanway 40
Henry A. Stanway 15
Mary A. Stanway 30
Reuben Stanway 3
Rose A. Stanway 7


All details match for her too,you may already have all this looks like dad is Abraham George Stanway is my guess with reversible forenames too going to check this and carry on with searching for the missing Arthur,Let me know if you have all this already.

Michelle

Roy

Did George(dad) have a brother called Abraham?Just found a 1851 census with both names in for the Lambeth area.

Roy

Have you looked into the Irish connection on Margarets side is it poss Arthur went to stay with any of them?

Michael

Sorry taken so long was out earlier and had a few to look up.I have been on yours for a while and nothing i'm afraid found about both of his wives and also saw Amelia in the 1841 census but he's nowhere!
Have you tried searching boat records around this time maybe he was away?Or he could be a census stray?Have you tried a google search for Sheffield strays?
Happy New Year to you and let me know if i can help anymore.

Michelle

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Hi Michelle,
Thanks for all your info. re Arthur George Stanway and family. Yes I do have all that you have mentioned - finding all about his family was a total surprise to me. I thought he was all alone in the world - an orphan! In fact it was his mother who died in 1868 - his father remarried in 1871 and had Henry living with him. I have never been able to find anything about Arthur until 1891 Census when he was with his father and family! What a surprise that was! I know he was living with a baker from a very early age, where he was taught his trade. It is a mystery! You can reply direct to me if you wish.

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Hi Michelle,

Just wondering if you have been able to find anything in 1871 and 1881 Census's for my Grandfather: ARTHUR GEORGE STANWAY b. 1863 Lambeth.?
Thankyou for all the stuff you've found so far about his family - that is all correct, including that ABRAHAM ( Arthur's father) had a brother George b.1843.
The only thing I'm looking for is ARTHUR'S where- abouts in the above mentioned Census. He was probably in Home/School for orphans at the time of 1871 Census and ' Placed Out ' with a baker for training in the 1881 Census so may have had a different name.

I realise it's not easy and don't expect you to labour too hard on it! Just let me know if you can't continue!
Contact: [email protected]

Many thanks anyway - Joy Stringer

Roy and Joy

I am also running another thread on records board so have been busy.Sorry i hadnt had a chance to check further for you.
I have time tonight as i have finished 2 big look ups i was helping people with.
I can't promise you i can find him,but i am pretty stubborn and i don't give up easily!
You mentioned different name?any clues to that?

I will put any findings on this thread for you-if any!

Regards

Michelle