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I've received the birth cert for Henry Turner 1912 Q4 Preston. I was pleased to see the mother wasn't Rebecca (no father on cert) so this is not my Henry.
Then on reflection, the mother is Ellen Turner (who is Rebeccas mother) am now wondering if Rebecca lied about her name!

Hi Kath

I'm pretty sure this is my family in 1901

1901 England Census
about Albert Haims
Name: Albert Haims
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Salford St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 270
Household Members: Name Age
William C Collier 23
Albert Haims 5
Elizabeth Haims 16
John Haims 7
Sabetha Haims 18
Samuel Haims 15
William Haims 12
Ann Horine 46
Annie Horine 20
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3736; Folio: 125; Page: 47.

What do you think?

Dee

Ah yes. Duh.

With at least his father dead, do you think maybe Albert is that son in the other household, taken in by an uncle?

Thinking about it, this might be daughter Tabithas marriage as she would be 21ish

Dee

Thanks Kathryn

I didn't realise Tabitha got remarried, I shall have to investigate that now.

Thank you once again for all your hard work, I am very grateful.

Dee

Here they are in 1891:


Name: Tabitha Hurine
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 21

Annie Hurine 11
Mary C Hurine 5
Rachel Hurine 14
Samuel Hurine 37
Samuel Hurine 3
Tabitha Hurine 36
Tabitha Hurine 8
William Hurine 1

But Tabitha didn't remarry until after the 1901:


Name: Tabitha Hurine
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 102


Here's me spoiling your fun.

Obsessing ... and getting calls about work not being done ...


Name: Samuel Hurine
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 44
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 113


That would explain why Albert's father isn't in the 1901.

Nite peeps

Dee x

hummmm

Have had contact with the son on John Hurine, who, he thought was the youngest son of Samuel.
Did Harry exist, did Alfred exist? I'm going to get the cert for Harry Turner, see if that helps

Thanks
Dee x

It's always surprising to see both how old and how young some of the people that fought the wars were. My gr-uncle who died in WWI was well over 30 when he signed up.

Well ... so he said. But since he's the mysterious son of that mysterious gr-grfather Monck, supposedly born in 1884 but whose birth was apparently never registered ... I wouldn't know. If my current wild theory were true, and he was the son of the gr-grfather's sister, then he was pushing 40.


I was looking for Albert in the 1901 to redeem myself, because earlier in this thread I seem to have hooked him up to the wrong parents. That one's still the only one I see, though:

Name: Albert Hurine
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin
Mother's Name: Sophie
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

... and there isn't one in the birth index to match that one (an Alfred does).


The parents existed, though:


Marriages Jun 1875
Hall Tabitha Salford 8d 66
HURINE Samuel Salford 8d 66
HURING Samuel Salford 8d 66


I always wonder whether a correction was spontaneous by FreeBMD, or someone submitted it, and if so who ...

Wondering why I didn't get that one, probably looking 10 years too late, looking at the pictures of Harry, he looks 30ish in 1946

Dee x

Kathryn
I didn't get that one!

I'm so useless, I've searched all the births abroad because Albert was in the army, I've haven't found Harry, I'm going to order that one, I'm so excited!
I've just looked through my notes, I'm sure I've got the 1901 but can't find it at the moment. doooh

Dee x

So where are Albert and his parents in the 1901 census??

Okay, I can't resist.

Hip Hip HURENE!


harharharharhar.


But ... what about Henry himself?

Henry Turner 1912 Q4 Preston

Are you getting that one?

Birth certs:
Albert Hurine 1896- father Samuel Hurine- mother Tabitha formerly Hall
Rebecca Turner 1892-father James Turner- mother Ellen formerly Worthington

Thank you for your help in getting me on the right track with this family

Dee x

Marriage cert:
Albert Hurine 21 bachelor- father Samuel Hurine (dec'd)
Rebecca Turner 23 spinster-father James Turner

Dee x

I ordered the marriage cert last night, not due till the 11th, woe is me!
I will certainly keep you informed.
Thanks
Dee x

Hmm. That Henry's mother's surname was Turner -- she wasn't married.

Could be worth a try, since there's nobody else!

I'd get the Hurine-Turner marriage certificate first to see how old she was. Reports on Albert are a little conflicting -- he's older in the 1901 census than the birth record indicates, but the birth record would be the reliable source. By it, Albert would have been 18 in 1912. If Rebecca were the same age, should could have had a child before marrying Albert.

And would that not just rot your socks?? After all this, Harry would quite likely not be a Hurine at all.

But your husband would be a prime candidate for DNA testing, if he really wanted to know who his paternal ancestors were. He is (or not) the son of a male Hurine, so his DNA could be compared to a pedigreed Hurine and the question answered. There aren't many of them, so your field might be limited.

If Rebecca Turner herself was from Salford, there seem to be two candidates in the births index:


Rebecca Turner 1892 Apr-May-Jun Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Rebecca Turner 1890 Oct-Nov-Dec Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire


Both would be older than Albert Hurine. So I'd start with the marriage certificate and see what it says about her. If you're dying of curiosity, get the Turner birth certificate at the same time and see whether the mother was Rebecca.

And let us know!!!

Well I've done a quarter by quarter search from 1916 to 1928 for Harry's birth, Hurine, Hurene & Huraine no luck, any other ideas?
Dee x

PS I've found a birth for Henry Turner 1912 Q4 Preston.