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Maybe this John William Allsop.
1891 Sutton in ashfield d10 > 28
John w allsop married Coal miner 1866 hucknall Huthwaite.
Mary J Armstrong 1864 housekeeper born nottinghamshre.

Maryb

Thanks everyone, special thanks to Mary and Sharon, with your help I think I shoiuld now be able to fit the pieces of this jigsaw together and get certs to confirms


Thanks

Alan

Most has fallen in place except one bit. I discovered that John William Allsop was a patient at the City Asylum, Porchester Road, Notts he was there in 1901 & 1911 according to Census. Hannah his wife remarries in 1907 to Henry B Hallam. However
Sharon looked on her disc and says that Edith and Thomas Hallam are baptized as Hallam-Allsop from 1891, so I am assuming Hannah and Henry are together from 1891, so this is the bit I dont understand how is Mary Ann registered as Allsop and John and Hannah shown as parents??
The other thing is why did Hannah wait until 1907 to marry Henry Hallam, could it be that she had to wait for a certian period of time from the time that William was presumabily certified before the marriage could be desolved?
Is anyone able to search the records office in Nottinghham for the asylum records for me, as I live in Hampshire?

Regards

Alan

Hi Allan,I can't answer that about Mary Ann and the others being Allsop/hallam Allsop.

Although Hannah would have remained Allsop until her marriege in 1907,so her kids should really be Allsop.
Why John William should be named as father is anyone's guess as Hannah is clearly with Henry Hallam from 1890 onwards.

Maryb.

Good morning Alan,I wonder if it would be worth while to send for another of Hannah's children born near to Mary Ann to see what it says about the dad.

Maybe Hannah got in a muddle when asked who her husbands name was.If she was still amrried to John W but living with Henry Hallam maybe it was just a slip of the tongue.

Maryb

hi alan
bit more information baptisms to henry and hannah at worksop
mary ann hallam 22 7 1896 4 chapel walk
james 31 3 1897 6 norfolk st
bernard 25 1 1899 1 ct 6 house
henry is a miner

There are only a couple of record books on the city asylum at the Notts Archives that are accessible to the public:

SO/HO/6/2/1/3-6 & 9 Case books (male), 1880-1908 [open to public access]

SO/HO/6/3/1/2-3 Admission and civil registers, 1894-1897, 1906 [open to public access]

I would be grateful If anyone goes there, if they could they please look up patient Mr John Allsop he was there 1901 & 1911

Hello Mary,
I am still trying to get the hang of researching this new setup.
I do have 5 Mary Allsopp's in my family tree, and i do know that i have connected my line with the Wragg family.
Eliza Wragg born 1824.
Please feel free to view it in case we have a connection.
Agnes Jane Allsopp was my great grandmother, she married into the Clifford family.
All my Allsopp's have come from Shepshed, Leicestershire.

regards

Val Kingsley

Hello Val, it was actually Alan who started the thread asking for help - Maryb is one of the kind people helping him find the info.

Alan may not be checking back for replies as it's 2½ years since his last post.

You could click on his name to attempt to contact him by direct message.

Good luck!