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Hello Val, it was actually Alan who started the thread asking for help - Maryb is one of the kind people helping him find the info.

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Hello Mary,
I am still trying to get the hang of researching this new setup.
I do have 5 Mary Allsopp's in my family tree, and i do know that i have connected my line with the Wragg family.
Eliza Wragg born 1824.
Please feel free to view it in case we have a connection.
Agnes Jane Allsopp was my great grandmother, she married into the Clifford family.
All my Allsopp's have come from Shepshed, Leicestershire.

regards

Val Kingsley

There are only a couple of record books on the city asylum at the Notts Archives that are accessible to the public:

SO/HO/6/2/1/3-6 & 9 Case books (male), 1880-1908 [open to public access]

SO/HO/6/3/1/2-3 Admission and civil registers, 1894-1897, 1906 [open to public access]

I would be grateful If anyone goes there, if they could they please look up patient Mr John Allsop he was there 1901 & 1911

hi alan
bit more information baptisms to henry and hannah at worksop
mary ann hallam 22 7 1896 4 chapel walk
james 31 3 1897 6 norfolk st
bernard 25 1 1899 1 ct 6 house
henry is a miner

Good morning Alan,I wonder if it would be worth while to send for another of Hannah's children born near to Mary Ann to see what it says about the dad.

Maybe Hannah got in a muddle when asked who her husbands name was.If she was still amrried to John W but living with Henry Hallam maybe it was just a slip of the tongue.

Maryb

Hi Allan,I can't answer that about Mary Ann and the others being Allsop/hallam Allsop.

Although Hannah would have remained Allsop until her marriege in 1907,so her kids should really be Allsop.
Why John William should be named as father is anyone's guess as Hannah is clearly with Henry Hallam from 1890 onwards.

Maryb.

Most has fallen in place except one bit. I discovered that John William Allsop was a patient at the City Asylum, Porchester Road, Notts he was there in 1901 & 1911 according to Census. Hannah his wife remarries in 1907 to Henry B Hallam. However
Sharon looked on her disc and says that Edith and Thomas Hallam are baptized as Hallam-Allsop from 1891, so I am assuming Hannah and Henry are together from 1891, so this is the bit I dont understand how is Mary Ann registered as Allsop and John and Hannah shown as parents??
The other thing is why did Hannah wait until 1907 to marry Henry Hallam, could it be that she had to wait for a certian period of time from the time that William was presumabily certified before the marriage could be desolved?
Is anyone able to search the records office in Nottinghham for the asylum records for me, as I live in Hampshire?

Regards

Alan

Thanks everyone, special thanks to Mary and Sharon, with your help I think I shoiuld now be able to fit the pieces of this jigsaw together and get certs to confirms


Thanks

Alan

Maybe this John William Allsop.
1891 Sutton in ashfield d10 > 28
John w allsop married Coal miner 1866 hucknall Huthwaite.
Mary J Armstrong 1864 housekeeper born nottinghamshre.

Maryb

By George I think I've cracked it,with the help of sharon of course.

1891 henry Hallam 1865 Notts coal miner
Hannah 1865 New radford.
Henry son 1890 worksop.

1901 Nether hallam Sheffield D43 > 27
164,Whitehouse Lane.
Henry Hallam 1866
Emma says wife 1865 New radford (why Emma I don't know)
Edith 1892
Thomas 1893
Mary ann 1895/6 Worksop
James 1897 worksop
James 1897
Bernard 1899
William one month.

It seems as though Hannah took up with Mr Hallam but didn't get married until 1907.

Maryb

1911 Henry B Hallam and Hannah they are all Hallams including Mary Ann plus 2 more children lilian 1905 and Clarice 1908.
Address 19,Allen Street Worksop.Also there was Albert hallam 1892 who was with the olbury's in 1901.

Says they were married 23 years and 14 children born 5 died.

That would explain the illigitimate son Mary Ann had.

Is this connected.
Henry Bernard Hallam married J/F/M 1907 worksop same page there is a Hannah Allsop.

Maryb

Albert hallam Allsop 1/12/1891 died 1980 Staincliffe Lancs.

Maryb

It does look like the same family i posted.
1901 27,Norfolk Street worksop.
Edward Oldbury 60 coal miner Leicestershire
Elizabeth 60 Warwickshire
Edward Allsop 1884 North notts grandson Albert Hallam 1892 Worksop Grandson.

1891 27,Norfolk Street Edward Allsop 7 with Edward and Elizabeth Oldbury

hi alan
have found these baptisms albert hallam allsop and edith hallam allsop on 23 12 1891
thomas hallam allsop 26 4 1893
all worksop father a miner of norfolk st to john william and hannah
dont know whether this helps

Hannah Oldbury O/N/D 1865 Radford notts 7b 170.
Her mum Elizabeth 1841.Warwickshire dad Edward 1841 leicestershire a coal miner in 1871/1881.

Maryb

Adopted, that is a thought.
I got the birth cert today she was born 11/11/1895 at Worksop father name John William Allsop Mother s name Hannah Allsop formerly Oldbury, but so far havent found them on any census, found a possible marriage in 1883 at Nottingham..

Thank everyone

Do you mean this one ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Births Jun 1915

Hallam Albert E - Mother Hallam - Worksop 7b 60


Looks like born to an unmarried mother - but not Allsop.

Maybe Mary Ann adopted him later

Worksop as far as I know

Clifford Dunn and Mary A Allsop O/N/D 1920 Worksop 7b 108.

I can't find Albert Hallam born 1919.Where was he born?

Maryb

She married Clifford Dunn from Sheffield sometime prior to 1921, this also a mystery as she had a child out of wedlock in 1919 albert and his surname was Hallam???

There was also Mary ann Allsop reg dec 1895 in Worksop.

Who did your Mary Ann marry?

Maryb