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I have looked in 3 sets of census records 1861 71 81 trying to find Ann Oliver I have the birth certificate of her son Josiah Oliver in 1863 Marylebonebut I cant seem to find her with him anywhere what makes matters worse is there is no father listed for Josiah on his birth cert only the mother Ann Oliver and informant Elizabeth Smith can anyone enlighten me where else I might look Please

Hi,

Could this be his baptism??

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Josiah Lane Olivier
Name: Josiah Lane Olivier
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Aug 1863
Father's Name: Josiah Lane Olivier
Mother's Name: Ann Lane Olivier
Parish: Saint Mary, Bryanston Square
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex


Born 27th July 1863



Dee x

Dee you have found the right Josiah I did not mention the Lane name because there is no father listed on his birth cert but when Josiah married twice it says his father was Josiah Lane, but I still cannot find any record of Ann

Here's an Ann Oliver visiting with the Smith family -


1861 England Census
Name: Ann Oliver
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne

Civil parish: Bromley
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Smith 43
Margaret Smith 35
Margret Smith 12
Charles Smith 6
Ann Oliver 14
Elizth Tozey 18




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 302; Folio: 195; Page: 19; GSU roll: 542610.

The spelling on the birth cert must be wrong I have Oliver not Olivier

Is Bromley near Marylebone?

There maybe a connection here;


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Joseph William Oliver
Name: Joseph William Oliver
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Dec 1861
Father's Name: Joseph Oliver
Mother's Name: Lane Oliver
Parish: Saint Mary, Bryanston Square
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Born sept 1858



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Ann Oliver
Name: Louisa Ann Oliver
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Dec 1861
Father's Name: Joseph Oliver
Mother's Name: Jane Oliver
Parish: Saint Mary, Bryanston Square
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Born Dec 1860




Dee x

Thanks guys I might be able to piece this togther now with this new info I will go to BMD and do some searching

Smith connection???

Josiah Lane Oliver was given the address of 3 Browns Court on his baptism. Josiah Smith born 23rd Aug 1863 son of John and Elizabeth Smith!!!!!!!! was also given the same address and baptised on the same day as Josiah Oliver, John Smith was a Carman.


Think we need to trace the Smith family!!!!


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Jesiah Smith
Name: Jesiah Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Aug 1863
Father's Name: John Smith
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Smith
Parish: Saint Mary, Bryanston Square
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex




Dee xx

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Henry Smith
Name: Henry Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 24 Jun 1860
Father's Name: John Smith Occupation CARMAN
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Smith
Parish: Saint Mary, Bryanston Square
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Born May 1860, address 7 Walmer Street



Dee x

1861 England Census
about Henry Smith
Name: Henry Smith
Age: 11 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: St Marylebone

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 35 Occupation; CARTER
Elizabeth Smith 30
Ann Smith 15 <<<<<<<<<<<?????
James Smith 11
George Smith 6
Henry Smith 11 Mo
James Peckett 30


Could Ann Smith be Josiah Olivers' mother????



Dee x

birth cert says clearly Ann Oliver mother the writing is very neat and clear

1851 England Census
about Elizabeth Oliver
Name: Elizabeth Oliver
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxford L, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Cavendish Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members: Name Age
James Oliver 28
Elizabeth Oliver 26
James Oliver 1
John Oliver 17


On the 1861 census for the Smith family Elizabeth was born Oxfordshire....... Could she have remarried to john Smith??? Note that James is 1 could he be James Smith in 1861??


Dee x

the address for the birth is 23 Burne St Marylebone sub district Christchurch 28.7.1863 registered on17.8.1863

I am even more confused, more than before, it looks like Ann may have had the baby but the baby may have been Johns child and Elizabeth occupier of the house, according to the cert kept the child after Ann baptised him knowing that Ann was to young to keep him OOOHHH!!!!
maybe

So who bought up Josiah Oliver?

Still trying to find the Smith family in 1871.... not having much luck though!


Dee x

Dee try Josiah Lane as an adult that is the name he went by although he wasnt a adult then otherwise the Smith family may be the people who raised him then in that case you might find him in the census as Josiah Smith

Just to keep in mind;

1861 England Census
about Josiah Lane
Name: Josiah Lane
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lane 60 Carman Born Paddington, Middlesex
Josiah Lane 24 Bricklayer
William Lane 21


Address is 3 BROWNS COURT!!!!!!!!

Dee x

Dee - you are definately on to something there - Only on here for a minute so can't help at the moment.

Will pick it up later tonight or tomorrow (If you haven't solved it that is !!)

Dea x

1841 England Census
about Josiah Lane
Name: Josiah Lane
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lane 40
Henry Lane 13
Louisa Lane 12
Sarah Lane 35
Fanny Lane 8
Josiah Lane 5
William Lane 3


1851 England Census
about William Lane
Name: William Lane
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Browns Court

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 262
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lane 50 carman
Louisa Griffith 24
John Lane 16
William Lane 12