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Oh no, I'm stuck on another one!!!
I've got my 9 year old grandaughter coming tomorrow to do her family tree on her Dad's side (she really wants to learn how to do it!!) so I thought I'd have a sneaky look now so that she's not too disappointed tomorrow if/when we get stuck!!

We know for certain that her Great Grandfather was Ernest Bailey born 1908 in Buxton, Derbyshire and were told his parents were Peter & Annie Bailey (not bought birth cert to confirm but his son told us).

1911 census:
URIAH Bailey 29 Born Cauldon, Staffs
Annie Bailey 35 Born Ashbourne, Staffs
Laura Bailey 13 Born Buxton, Derbyshire
Annie Bailey 11 Born Fairfield, Buxton
Peter Bailey 10 "
Albert Bailey 8 "
Jack Bailey 6 "
*Ernest Bailey 2 "
May Bailey 9 mths "

1901 Census:
John Gerrard 50 Born Cheadle, Staffs
Harriett " 52 Cauldon, Staffs
Thomas 19 Harpen Hill, Derbyshire
Ernest 13 "
Harriett 8 "
PETER Bailey 20 Son in Law Born Burbage, Derbyshire
Annie Bailey 24 Daughter Harpen Hill
Laura Bailey 3 Fairfield, Buxton
Annie Bailey 1 Fairfield, Buxton

I'd say that these were the same family wouldn't you? Maybe Uriah didn't like his name so called himself Peter?

On 1911 census Uriah gives his age as 29 but also says been married 15 years!!! I've checked marriages & Uriah Bailey married Annie Gerrard in Chapel le Frith March Q 1899 - thats 12 years!! Eldest daughter Laura was 13, I found her birth - Laura Bailey Gerrard born Chapel le Frith Dec Q 1898.

I have Annie Gerrard age 14 living with her father John Gerrard & his wife Harriett and her son Alfred Bennett age 18 in the 1891 census but cannot find them in 1881 census. Could someone have a look for me please to see if you can find them?

Also, I have Uriah Bailey age 1 in 1881 census with his parents Timothy & Mary Bailey but I cannot find them in 1891!!!! Would somebody mind having a look for that one as well please?

I haven't even tried earlier census!!!

Thank you all very much, Sue

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So who could blame him if he didn't want to be Uriah in the new century, eh? Reminds me of the Hurene family, supposedly from Canada, we worked on a while back. I determined that they were from Lancashire, and their name was originally Urine. Well, who wouldn't? ;)

The 1911 and 1901 certainly do look alike. And Uriah has a son Peter.

Peter/Uriah have two different places of birth, though.

1911: Cauldon, Staffs
1901: Burbage, Derbyshire - misreported by parents-in-law?

Do you know what registration district the two places were in?

Okay, doing the 1901 census trick, looking for John living in ___ --

Cauldon is in Cheadle.
Burbage is in Chapel En Le Frith.
There is also a Burbage in Leicestershire, in Hinckley reg dist.

Hard to know where to look for censuses / births!

Could this be Uriah on BVRI even though it's spelled Bealey?

BEALEY, Uriah Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 3 May 1880 Recorded in: Elkstone and Warslow, Staffordshire, England
Father: Timothy BEALEY
Mother: Mary Ann
Source: FHL Film 1526217 Dates: 1785 - 1888

Kind of need Timothy's and Mary's details to go looking in 1891.

1881:

Name: Uriah Bailey
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Timothy
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England

Yet another place of birth.

I wonder whether this is a reason for the confusion:

Street address: Residance A Waggon
Civil Parish: Cheddleton
County/Island: Staffordshire

Do we have travellers here?

Name: Timothy Bailey
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Where born: MacClesfield, Cheshire, England
Occupation: Chair Bottomer (Cane Wk)

Name: Mary Bailey
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Timothy
Where born: Chester

This looks like the Uriah that I found on BVRI:
1881 census
Residence: A waggon, Cheddleton, Staffordshire
Timothy Bailey, head, 33, chair bottomer, born Cheshire, Macclesfield
Mary, wife, 30, clothes peg maker, born Chester
George, son, 9, born Staffs, Horton
Corelander, dau, 6, born Cheshire, Broken Cross
Matthew, son, 5, born Derbyshire, Buxton
Sarah, dau, 3, born Staffs, Leek
Uriah, son, 1, born Derbyshire, Ashbourne

Oops, sorry, just re-read the post and you already had that!

Wow, just checked back & you've all been busy - thank you

Hi Evie - I thought you might see it was me & I was a bit embarrassed to ask for help again!!

Margaret - thank you for taking the time to help

Right, I'm going to read all that you've found once more - slowly this time, and report back in a min!!!

Evie - I read that post about Bethnal Green Tube station that you've been helping with - very interesting. There was a terrible train crash in Lewisham in 1956 with many losing their life. It happened on the railway line that literally ran along the end of our back garden. I was 3 years old & eating my tea at the time, the impact threw me off my chair!!! I'll never forget it., it was terrible.

Be back in a min xx

Aha, I neglected to note Mary's occupation, very bad of me.

There was a recent discussion here of an Elias (De)Gray who was a traveller -- and his occupation was wooden peg maker in one census, and he was living in a caravan.

I think that's what you have here, Sue.

Uriah may have switched to Peter when he settled down and become ordinary.

Not another possible gypsy???

The result is that you may not find birth registrations, I fear.

I didn't see a Peter or Uriah who could definitively be yours at FreeBMD, anyhow -- although he could have been born so many places, who knows?

And they may simply not be in the 1891 census at all. Quelle drag, but on the other hand, kind of exciting.

If your Barnards turned out to have Roma connections ... oh well, they weren't your Barnards, were they?!

My Barnards were Richers - God knows what these Baileys will be!!

How do I explain this to a 9 year old??? :-)

Duh me, Margaret found the christening -- but -- no reg for Uriah Bealey.

And no matching reg for Uriah Bailey.

More grist for the travellers hypothesis -- evidence of birth (christening) but no registration.

Timothy and Mary don't seem to have married, either, hm?

I wonder whether Uriah was registered, but under Mary's surname?

Christened in Elkstone and Warslow, Staffordshire, wherever that is.

There is this Uriah birth in Staffordshire in 2nd Q 1880:

Births Jun 1880
PRINCE Uriah Leek 6b 318

Oh look! Leek includes Warslow & Elkestones!

Just been on Multi map & Buxton, Macclesfield, Chapel le Frith, Warslow, Cauldon & Ashourne are all within about 15 miles of each other.

Whats this PRINCE? Is he royalty I wonder?

There is a birth registered for Uriah Bailey in June Q 1880 but its in Wisbech & thats Norfolk/Cambridge area - what a nuisance!!

I think Margaret has find the correct christening

Margaret - would you be able to look for the christening of any of Uriah's siblings for me please?

George about 1872
Corelander about 1875
Matthew about 1876
Sarah about 1878

Sue

Oh crap.

1891

Name: Uriah Prince
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Sarah
Where born: Onecote, Staffordshire, England

Well, you know my theories. They're always brilliant, they're just not always right!

"Corelander"?

We've checked that one on the image, have we?

Oh Evie, that would've been a lovely one - Uriah Prince!!!

If only ............

But thanks for looking x

I can't look at image cos its 1881

I searched all UK censuses for given name

cor*nder

and he doesn't show up.

Okay, Ancestry has him as Corelanda in 1881.

The censuses have

Corrinder Cook
Corisander Bridges
Corriander Gwilliam
Corander Chaney
Corisander Davis
Coronder George/Brown
Corander Brewster
Corender Meller
Coriliander Herron
Coriander Mc Thel

(without checking any images for real spellings)

FreeBMD is taking forever to find any births for Cor*nder ...

Shouldn't there be siblings Parsely and Thyme? Sounds like my sister, who was busy naming her kids for plants. The first was a girl, and If the second (and last) had been a boy her choices were looking like Basil and Narcissus.