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just about at the end of my tether!

I've been searching for what seems eons, for the birth details of William John Brooker, born 1851/2.

He was married to Emma Wallace on 16th april 1876 in a part of Norwood, surrey. He died at the age of 28 years old, on the 25th october 1880 with the named address of 15 fir street, lewisham, (sub district of Sydenham in the county of kent).

He was a gas fitter. his father was also called william john brooker who was a smith by proffession.

as far as i know, he had 3 children.
william edward brooker, born 10th december 1876.
James charles brooker, born 4th may 1879.
and George brooker, born 1881, i think between 4th april and sometime in august 1881. as i cannot find details of him before that time. but he was 19years old at the time of the 1901 census.
his mother emma wallace was pregnant at time of death of william john brooker who died in 1880.

William Edward was my gr gr grandad.

any information to help me progress would be greatly appreciated.

Dave Brooker.

I wonder?????

WILLIAM JOHN BROOKER Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 DEC 1857 Dorking, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM BROOKER Family
Mother: SUSAN


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Hi David. Have been having a look for you and found on the Ancestry site there is a Web Tree with this family, and some generations back Have you access.?? If not I will try and send it to you via the direct connection. Ethel.

I doubt Ethel will be expecting a reply to her kind offer after 9 years.

To try to contact her, click on her name and send a message

Please remove your e-mail details. Not allowed on the boards, and unwise in any case.

As for Wlliam's birth - registration wasn't compulsory until 1875, so there may simply be no record

When William married, his occupation was 'Cook', and he was living in Croydon

Have you looked for him in 1861 and 1871 censuses?

BROOKER, JAMES CHARLES WALLACE Order
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION Volume 01D Page 1024 Order
BROOKER, WILLIAM EDWARD WALLACE Order
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 213

Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
BROOKER Emma Kensington 1a 272
King Frederick James Kensington 1a 272


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
19, North Terrace Fairlawn Park, Lewisham, London & Kent, England

Emma King Head Widow Female 43 1858 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Upholstress Transcription
James Brooker Son Single Male 21 1880 Sydenham, Kent, England Wireman Nat Telephone Co Transcription
George Brooker Son Single Male 19 1882 Penge, Surrey, England Gardener (Domestic) Transcription
Ada King Daughter - Female 11 1890 Kensington, Middlesex, England - Transcription
Alice King Daughter - Female 9 1892 Sydenham, Kent, England

No record on the GRO site of a Brooker/Wallace birth to fit George's details


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Porthcawe Road, Lewisham, London & Kent, England

Frederick J King Head Married Male 29 1862 Sussex, England Porter Transcription
Emma King Wife Married Female 33 1858 - - Transcription
Ada E King Daughter - Female 1 1890 Kensington, England

KING, ADA ELLEN WALLACE Order
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 112 Order
KING, ANNIE ELIZABETH WALLACE Order
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1222 Occasional Copy: A

No record of Emma's sons with Brooker in 1891 census

EDIT

Found one

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
London Road, Hutton, Billericay, Essex, England

Josiah Choat Head Married Male 66 1825 Surrey, England Wool Card Maker Transcription
Esther Choat Wife Married Female 53 1838 Essex, England - Transcription
James C Brookes Nephew - Male 11 1880 Kent, England Scholar Transcription

View England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Emma King
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 2105
Records on Page:
Name
Emma King
Arthur Robert Squire


Name: Emma Squire
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: abt 1857
Registration Date: Sep 1932
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 874

Thank you ErikaH, I did have a lot of the info... Only recently about the Choat Residence etc though.

The following is what I put on an Ancestry page on Facebook yesterday, and a couple of the admins came up with results tying in with what Mel fairy godmother posted (thank you by the way).

This is what I posted on Facebook...

I'm trying to find the date of birth and place of birth of William John Brooker C1852. I have his marriage certificate when he was married to Emma Wallace in Upper Norwood, Surrey on 16/04/1876 (his dad noted as being William John Brooker also with a 'Smith' profession. The William John Brooker I am seeking died on 25/10/1880, C.O.D was Pulmonary Tuberculosis. He was buried in Ladywell Cemetery on 01/11/1880, grave number G2599. As I live a good distance away, I can't manage to pay a visit to the cemetery to seek birth details on the headstone. Can anyone help please?

They came up with details of his father's occupation being a whitesmith on the baptism record. William John's birth being 04/09/1854 St. Martin, Dorking (Martin Place)? Apparently, W.J was baptised in 1857 along with his sister Mary Jane Brooker who was born 06/06/1857.

Also marriage details pertaining to the parents being Susannah Bivand and William Brooker in the Jan 1/4 of 1847.

William Charles Brooker also pops up with mother's maiden name as being Bivand.

I just need to try and piece together the info and figure out how correct it is or not before I add it to my tree.

confused and some things like...

1/ on his death cert it mentioned him dying at age 28 on 25/10/1880, this would give approx. year of birth as 1852 which is what I've been searching give or take 1 year ... for years.

BROOKER, MARY JANE BIVAND Order
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in DORKING Volume 02A Page 107

BROOKER, WILLIAM CHARLES BIVAND Order
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in DORKING Volume 02A Page 89

Tha baptism on 4th December definitely gives the names William John

BROOKER, WILLIAM THOMAS BIVAND Order
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in DORKING Volume 04 Page 130

BROOKER, JULIA ABIGAIL BIVAND Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in DORKING Volume 04 Page 139


1851
Name: Willm Brooker
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's Name: Susanna Brooker
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorking, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Reigate Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 6d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 1599
Folio: 238
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
George Frost 26
Ellen Frost 22
Maria Frost 1
Ellen Frost 3
Willm Brooker 26
Susanna Brooker 26
Willm Brooker 3
Julia Brooker 1

Name: Julia Brooker
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Dorking, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
Town: Dulwich
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Dulwich

Name: Manna Bivand
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 14 Feb 1847
Marriage Place: Betchworth, St Michael, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Betchworth
Search Photos: Search for 'Betchworth, St Michael' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Thomas Bivand - Gardener
Spouse: William Brooker - Whitesmith
Spouse Father: Willian Brooker - Harness Maker

Name: James Arthur Brooker
Baptism Date: 31 Dec 1858
Baptism Place: Dorking, St Martin, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Dorking
Search Photos: Search for 'Dorking, St Martin' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: William Brooker
Mother: Susanna Brooker

BROOKER, JAMES ARTHUR BIVAND Order
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in DORKING Volume 02A Page 117

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Church Street, Dorking, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Brooker Male 40 1801 Surrey, England Transcription
Mary Brooker Female 40 1801 Surrey, England Transcription
William Brooker Male 15 1826 - ***********WHITESMITH
Mary Anne Brooker Female 13 1828 - Transcription
Henry Brooker Male 10 1831 - Transcription
Fanny Brooker Female 1 1840 - Transcription
William Robinson Male 40 1801 - Transcription
Sarah Robinson Female 26 1815 -

Thank you ErikaH