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Julia
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25 Jul 2009 15:47 |
Hi,
I hope somebody can help, I'm looking to find Elizabeth Bulger in the 1851 Census! I am stuck on this line of my tree and unable to find any further information on her parents without ordering certificates, which I am unable to do at the moment. I would be very grateful for any assistance.
All the information I have on Elizabeth Bulger is below:
* Birth: Sep 1840 in Avon, Somerset, United Kingdom * Marrige: Dec 1860, Married Charles Major Sandall in Avon, Somerset, United Kingdom. * Found in the 1861 Census with her husband in Bath Somerset,Class: RG9; Piece: 1685; Folio: 29; Page: 15. * Death: Sep 1889 in Avon, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Many thanks for your time,
Julia
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BatMansDaughter
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25 Jul 2009 15:56 |
Hi Julia,
I've had a look for her in the 1841 and 1851 census.... she doesn't appear so maybe her mother remarried/married and she's under her stepfathers surname???
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MargaretM
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25 Jul 2009 16:00 |
The 61 census says that she was born and lived in Bath, Somerset.
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Heather
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25 Jul 2009 16:02 |
Who was her father on the marriage cert? Have you found her birth cert?
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MargaretM
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25 Jul 2009 16:06 |
Births Sep 1840 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bulger Elizabeth Bath 11 18
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Rambling
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25 Jul 2009 16:14 |
don't know if this is relevant? maybe a brother, in which case the family might have moved between Elizabeth's birth and marriage? or possibly parents died...though again no record of Bulger deaths for bath
1861 England Census about Benjamin Bulger Name: Benjamin Bulger Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Bath Civil parish: St John Town: Newcastle County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 77 Household Members: Name Age John Penwick 27 Amilia Penwick 27 Lewis Penwick 10 Benjamin Bulger 24
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Heather
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25 Jul 2009 16:16 |
Its really interesting/intriguing because - the name Bulger seems to be almost exclusively Irish. I had wondered if this (and the fact she appears to have married a soldier) meant that dad was a soldier and hence the reason for her not being apparent in some census.
However, Peter's find threw me a bit (well done on that Peter) because the name Bugler does seem to be West countryish origin. If you enter just that as a surname a whole shoal of Buglers come up in Hampshire, Dorset and from somerset.
So Im afraid that it may be a mystery until you get that marriage cert for dads name.
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Julia
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25 Jul 2009 16:18 |
Hi Margaret, Denise, Heather and Peter and thank you all for your help,
Denise, interesting what you said, could be a possibility, something to keep in mind.
Margaret, thank you for the birth information.
Heather, I have no certificates yet I'm affraid, sorry.
Peter, thank you for the census record - this may be them, could be why I've not been able to find them.
You are all very kind, thank you very much.
Julia
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Julia
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25 Jul 2009 16:56 |
Thank you Rambling Rose and Heather Posi,
Rambling Rose, thank you for this census record some interesting information to keep.
Heather Posi, thank you also, interesting what you said about the name!! I've just spoken to my mum and she is going to order the Marriage certificate, so we should have the name soon, I'll keep you posted! Also a little about Charles Major Sandall - he was not a soldier like this name imply's - it's a middle name that has been handed down the generations after my 6 x Great Grandmother Joan Major born 1736 married a Sandall man and it was added in her will that the name be passed down to all the first born males.
Thank you again,
Julia
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Julia
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27 Aug 2009 13:58 |
Hi All,
Today I have received the marriage certificate for my Charles M Sandall and Elizabeth Bulger!
Dec 25th 1860 - Parish Church in Widcombe, Somerset
Name: Charles Major Sandall - Full Age - Bacholer - Occ. Tunner - Add. Summerlays Place - Father. Charles Sandall - Occ. Tunner Name: Elizabeth Bulger - Minor - Spinster - No Occ - Add. Summerlays Place - Father. Henry Bulger - Occ. Silker Mencer.
I was hoping when I received the certificate that it would have their ages! but it only says - full age and minor which is a shame! They also lived in the same street - Summerlays Place - but no house number given?
Now that I have Elizabeth's fathers name - Henry Bulger and occupation would it be possible for your help in finding a census or any more information on the family please.
Thank you for your time,
Julia
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BatMansDaughter
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27 Aug 2009 15:34 |
Hi Julia,
Are there any witnesses on the marriage cert? And could Henry's occupation be a Silk Mercer?
Dee x
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BatMansDaughter
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27 Aug 2009 15:48 |
Hi Julia,
I still have my doubts about the fathers name Henry, here are her boys from the 1881 census;
Frederick Charles Sandall 9 William Thomas Sandall 7 Frank John Sandall 5 Jesse Edward Sandall 1
Not one named Henry!!!! Ok, it wasn't compulsary to call a child after your parents................. but it was the common practice to do so, so why not when she has 4 sons all with middle names??? Just doesn't add up to me....
Dee x
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BatMansDaughter
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27 Aug 2009 16:25 |
Hi Julia,
I've been looking for quite awhile now trying to find Henry and sorry still no luck.
Dee x
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Julia
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27 Aug 2009 16:27 |
Hi Dee,
Thank you so much for your reply and for taking the time to look for me! yes sorry it was Silk Mercer, I looked it up on Google and it stands for Silk Merchant.
Witnesses are Henry Mansfield and Maria Milland or at least it looks like Milland.
Interesting what you said about her boy's names, there is also a Henry for the witness so maybe they added the fathers name wrong?? strange?? the fathers are both listed as alive as it does not say they are deceased, hope this helps.
Thank you again for your time,
Julia
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BatMansDaughter
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27 Aug 2009 16:40 |
Hi Julia,
this could be the witness Henry, his occupation is a cabinet maker which would fit in with Charles;
1861 England Census about Henry Mansfield Name: Henry Mansfield Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Civil parish: Lyncombe Ecclesiastical parish: Lyncombe County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Bath Sub-registration district: Lyncombe ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 187 Household Members: Name Age Henry Mansfield 23 Jane Mansfield 24 Let's see if we can find Maria, kingers crossed she may lead us to some Bulger family??
Dee x
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BatMansDaughter
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27 Aug 2009 16:49 |
Could Milland be Millard??
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1842 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MILLARD Maria Bath 11 21
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Julia
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27 Aug 2009 16:49 |
Thanks Dee,
Fantastic, yes you would be right as all the Sandall men down the line were cabinet makers!
I appreciate you looking, thank you.
Julia
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Julia
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27 Aug 2009 16:51 |
Could be Millard, the writing is hard to read x
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BatMansDaughter
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27 Aug 2009 17:14 |
I'm sorry Julia I still can't see anything for Elizabeth or Henry Bulger.
I'm wondering whether Henry Bulger was her "saving face" father......... the Sandalls of realitively good stock and she may have been illegitemate??? Therefore a father who was a silk merchant would have put her on a level pegging in the class stakes??
This is just my theory though, I'm really hoping that someone else will pop in and say "there you go" and prove me wrong.
All the best, dee x
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MaureeninNY
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27 Aug 2009 17:40 |
Not sure where to go from here: Bath Birth indexes for the years: 1840 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference BULGER Elizabeth Lansdown Bath MILLARD LNS/2/427
http://www.bathbmd.org.uk/
Maureen
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