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WHO IS SARAH - MOTHER OF JANE AMELIA BURGESS?

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Gai

Gai Report 16 Feb 2011 18:07

Jane Amelia BURGESS was born in 1885 in Bethnal Green. Her father was Charles Burgess born 1852 and her mother Sarah. I have found this family on various census - Jane had a brother Thomas born 1874 and a sister Sarah born 1877. I haven't been able to find a marriage for Charles and Sarah anywhere so sent off for Jane Amelia's birth cert which gives her parents as Charles Burgess and Sarah HOUCHEN. The only marriage for Sarah Houchen is 1870 to either Laven (?) YOUNG or William STAPLETON. In 1871 Charles is single with his parents, so it is possible that Sarah was married previously - but to who? and what happened? - Did she and Charles ever marry?

Can anyone help me find Sarah in 1871 please? Or earlier? FreeBMD has a birth record for 1850 in Stepney but all other HOUCHEN's seem to hail from Norfolk.

Many thanks - Gai

patchem

patchem Report 16 Feb 2011 18:12

Have you got a birth date for Sarah?
Thanks

Gai

Gai Report 16 Feb 2011 18:15

Oh! Good point. She was 29 in 1881 census and 39 in 1891 census so about 1852. Perhaps the birth in Stepney is not her.

G

patchem

patchem Report 16 Feb 2011 18:18

Laven is probably Leven.
Where is she from on the censuses?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Feb 2011 18:19

ITs possible her birth wasnt registered It wasnt compulsary till 1875. Have you found her on any census pre marriage?

patchem

patchem Report 16 Feb 2011 18:23

For reference:
1891 England Census
Chas Burgess
Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Burgess Gender: Male Where born: Bethnal Green Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simons Zelotes County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green East ED, institution, or vessel: 18

Chas Burgess 39
Sarah Burgess 39 Tailoress Mile End
Sarah Burgess 14
Jane Burgess 5

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 272; Folio 49; Page 29; GSU roll: 6095382.

Gai

Gai Report 16 Feb 2011 18:23

Patchem - The 1881 census just gives London; the 1891 gives MILE END as her birth place. I had no idea what Laven might mean. I'll try Leven instead! Thanks.

Shirley - no, I can't find her as Houchen, Young or Stapleton (!)

G

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Feb 2011 18:33

There's baptisms of 2 children here on the same day. For Thomas it says born 24 May, for Sarah 12 April, no years given but parents are same, address same, 55 Appian Rd. and father is a finisher for both.

Name: Sarah Burgess
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877
Baptism Date: 30 Sep 1877
Father's name: Charles Burgess
Mother's name: Sarah Burgess
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Name: Thomas Burgess
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877
Baptism Date: 30 Sep 1877
Father's name: Charles Burgess
Mother's name: Sarah Burgess
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Feb 2011 18:37

Here's Jane Amelia:

Name: Jane Amelia Burgess
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1885
Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1885
Father's name: Charles Burgess
Mother's name: Sarah Burgess
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Original says born Nov. 9, 27 Tottie? St., father a finisher.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Feb 2011 18:41

1891 census she says was born mile end
BURGESS, Chas Head Married M 39 1852 Boot Finisher
Bethnal Green VIEW
BURGESS, Sarah Wife Married F 39 1852 Tailoress
Mile End VIEW
BURGESS, Sarah Daughter F 14 1877 Tailoress
Bow VIEW
BURGESS, Jane Daughter F 5 1886
Bethnal Green VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
272 Folio:
49 Page:
29

Registration District:
Bethnal Green Sub District:
Bethnal Green East Enumeration District:
18 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Simon Zelotes

Civil Parish:
Bethnal Green Municipal Borough:
North East Bethnal Green Address:
19, Knottisford Street, Bethnal Green, North East Bethnal Green County

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Feb 2011 18:52

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Mahala Houden (Houchen)
Name: Sarah Mahala Houden
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1857
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1857
Father's name: Christopher Houden
Mother's name: Mary Ann Houden
Parish or Poor Law Union: Mile End Old Town St Peter
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(could be mistake on image, says born 7th Aug 1851, fathers occ. Tailor)


Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Houchen Sarah Mahala Stepney 2 544


1851

HOUCHEN, Christopher Head Married M 31 1820 Tailor
Great Ellingham
Norfolk VIEW
HOUCHEN, Mary Ann Wife Married F 29 1822
Ashley
Cambridgeshire VIEW
HOUCHEN, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 6 1845
Ashley
Cambridgeshire VIEW
HOUCHEN, Robert Son M 2 1849
Stepney
Middlesex VIEW
HOUCHEN, Sarah Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1851
Stepney
Middlesex VIEW

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1553 Folio:
597 Page:
24

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Mile End Old Town Lower Enumeration District:
28 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Saint Peters

Civil Parish:
Mile End Old Town Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
8, East Street, Mile End Old Town, Tower Hamlets County:
Middlesex

(Not sure if this fits)

Chris :)





Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Feb 2011 18:59

Takes us back to the marriage to Lavan Young or William Joseph Stapleton

Marriages Sep 1870

AINSWORTH Sarah Ann Mile End 1c 990
HOUCHEN Sarah Mealiah Mile End 1c 990
Stapleton William Joseph Mile End 1c 990
Young Laven Mile End 1c 990

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Feb 2011 19:01

Name: Sarah Mealiah Houcher
Spouse Name: William Joseph Stapleton
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Jul 1870
Parish: Holy Trinity, Mile End Old Town
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Christopher Houcher
Spouse Father Name: Charles Stapleton

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Feb 2011 19:02

1881 census
Name: Christopher F. Houchen
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie Houchen
Gender: Male
Where born: Doddinghurst, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 54 Bancroft Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Christopher F. Houchen 37
Annie Houchen 47
Esther Houchen 16



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 480; Folio: 94; Page: 29; GSU roll: 1341105.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Feb 2011 19:03

wonder whether she married and then separated from ner husband.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Feb 2011 19:04

On Sarah Mahala's baptism record the name looks more like Houchin. There were 4 children of the couple baptised same day. She was born 7 Aug. 1851 and baptised 18 Nov. 1857.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Feb 2011 19:11

Yes, odd that MadBull, Houchen on marriage image!.

1851 does say 6mths, so a month out for Census in March...not sure :-)

Chris :)

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Feb 2011 19:13

Lever Young married Sarah Ann Ainsworth so Sarah Mahala must have married William Joseph Stapleton.

Name: Sarah Ann Ainsworth
Spouse Name: Lever Young
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Jul 1870
Parish: Holy Trinity, Mile End Old Town
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Ainsworth
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Young

Sorry Chris Ho, just noticed you already confirmed that!

Gai

Gai Report 16 Feb 2011 19:13

Shirley - yes, that's what I wondered.

Chris - thanks and well done! So, she married William Stapleton! I am confused about the birth record and the date of birth given on the baptism but I believe the family were illiterate (she made her mark on Jane Amelia's birth cert) so it's possible they couldn't correct what was written - that might also account for the (slightly) different name?

So, did William Stapleton die? Can anyone find them in 1871 ?

G

G

Gai

Gai Report 16 Feb 2011 19:23

I think I've found them - looks like Stapleton on the image:

Sarah Stepleton
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William G Stepleton
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Benet
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Household schedule number: 182
Household Members: Name Age
William G Stepleton 27
Sarah Stepleton 21

He is a stone mason born Essex and she is a Tailoress born Mile End.