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Elderly lady we know re Kathleen Stringer b 1917 at Evenley had family named Coppins - she believes Reginald was an uncle, She was adopted by Alfred Whitton b1875 in Evenley and would like to know more about the families. Can anyone help ?

Regs Derek

Hi possible
1901 census

Address Halls Lane
Civil Parish Brackley
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Brackley
Ecclesiastical Parish Of Brackley St Peter With St James
Parliamentary Borough or Division South Northants
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Brackley
Administrative County Northampton
Householder 1
Name Alfred Whitton
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 27
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Butcher
Employment Status
Where Born Bucks Westbury
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Dolly A Whitton
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 2
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northants Brackley
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Rosalind M Whitton
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 0
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northants Brackley
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Sarah Whitton
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 28
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northants Charlton
Language
Infirmity

Hows this!!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Reginald W Copping
Name: Reginald W Copping
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Stringer
District: Brackley
County: Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 6

Hi on this census there is a lusie stringer
1901 census

Address Village Cottage 26
Civil Parish Evenley
Rural District Brackley
Town or Village or Hamlet Evenley
Ecclesiastical Parish Evenley St George
Parliamentary Borough or Division South Northants
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County
Householder 1
Name Edith Copping
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 28
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Norfolk East Bradenham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Edith Copping
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 0
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northants Evenley
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Frederick Copping
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 1
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northants Evenley
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Henry Copping
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 28
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Woodman Filling
Employment Status
Where Born Norfolk Costessey
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Lusie Stringer
Relation to Head of Family Step Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Norfolk Whissonsett
Language
Infirmity

Many Thanks,

This is all super information and will help to confirm Background and ancestors of Kathleen Stringer 1917.

I welcome any more info that people may have.

Regs Derek

Intrigued by the info about Reginald W Copping b1914 in Brackley and fact his mothers maiden name was Stringer. I would love to know more about her and whether she was mother to Kathleen Stringer 1917.

Regs Derek

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Births Jun 1917
Stringer Kathleen Stringer Brackley 3b 9

It's conceivable that the same Ms. Stringer had a child 3 years later when estranged from her husband or widowed, and registered the child (Kathleen) under her own surname. But only the two birth certificates will tell you what the full name of the mother in each case was.


Have you searched at FreeBMD for a marriage between Copping and Stringer to get an idea of who the mother of the 1914 child was??


... I don't see one for Copping or Coppins. It could be that the parents of that child weren't married but he was registered under the father's surname. Again, only the certificates will give that information.


This is the only Coppin*-Stringer marriage:

Marriages Sep 1898
Copping Harry Bertie Forehoe 4b 367
Stringer Edith Hannah Forehoe 4b 367
(in Norfolk)

Sigh.

Why two threads about essentially the same thing?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1201577

It doesn't help you, Derek, that the people who see this thread don't have any of the information in the other. And they don't.

And it doesn't help you to have new people go "finding" information that has already been found and posted there, as I just did with the Kathleen Stringer birth. Because the new people doing it aren't well pleased.


In the other thread you spelled his name Coppings ...

Re the Reginald whose birth was posted above in the thread.

Name: Reginald Walter Copping
Birth Date: 17 Jan 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1989
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Brackley
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 7
Page: 2073

Name: Reginald W Copping
Spouse Surname: Seaton
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1948
Registration district: Brackley
Registration county (inferred): Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 1323


There were four children born to that marriage, in the 1950s. Those details could be sent to you privately and very likely those people could be located today. They were all boys, so it would not even be necessary to track down their marriages to find their present names.

Re the mother's name you gave in the other thread - there is no recrod of a Susan Stringer, by birth or marriage, in Northamptonshire, that I can find -- no birth, no marriage, no death, nothing in the 1911 census.

Kathleen needs to get her birth certificate to see what it says about her mother. There could be additional information besides her mother's name, like her occupation and address.

Again, from the other thread:

"Her Grandfather was a Mr.Coppings, and Uncle Reg Coppings was a superintendant of Police in Toaster."

Her mother was (Susan) Stringer ... are this grandfather and uncle related by adoption or birth??

And where might Toaster be?

Janey Cannuck,

apologies - Towcester Northants was where Kathleen Stringers Uncle Reg was Policeman - chief superintendant ?

Derek

Hi all, I think this is Susan Stringer's birth, born to Edith Hannah Stringer in Norfolk before she marries Harry Bertie Copping in 1898.

Births Mar 1894
Stringer Susie Mitford 4b 291

This matches with Poppy's 1901 census of "Lusie" age 7 step daughter born Norfolk.

1911:


COPPING, Harry Head Married
12 years M 37 1874 Woodman On Estate Costessey Norfolk
COPPING, Edith Wife Married F 37 1874 East Brudenham Norfolk
COPPING, Fred Son M 11 1900 Evenley Northants VIEW
COPPING, Mary Daughter F 10 1901 Evenley Northants VIEW
COPPING, Henry Son M 6 1905 Evenley Northants VIEW
COPPING, Maude Daughter F 8 1903 Evenley Northants VIEW
COPPING, Albert Son M 4 1907 Evenley Northants VIEW
COPPING, Alfred Son M 1 1910 Evenley Northants VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8315 Reference:
RG14PN8315 RG78PN428 RD159 SD1 ED8 SN22

Registration District:
Brackley Sub District:
Brackley EnumerationDistrict:
8 Parish:
Evenley

Address:
Evenley County:
Northamptonshire

First child is registered Samuel Frederick, like Harry's father. Second child is Edith Mary.

There are 2 Susie Stringer's in service in London on 1911, ? maybe why she is not with her mother.

I think Reginald Walter b 1914 is Edith and Harry's last child.


Edith Hannah 1891, with a sister Susan.


1881 England Census
about Edith H. Stringer
Name: Edith H. Stringer
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: East Bradenham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: East Bradenham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: Necton Road

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Swaffham
Sub-registration district: Swaffham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William J. Stringer 19
Robert H. Stringer 14
Susan R. Stringer 12
Edith H. Stringer 8
Sarah A. Cooper 29


regards Deborah

Thanks Deborah,

This is powerful stuff and seems to fit in. I will talk with Kath(Stringer)b1917 to see if any of this is recognisable to her. I will report back my findings. If this is right I will then fit all the pieces for her.

Again many thanks to all for your hard work.

Derek

Ha! Wooster. ;) Now I know how to pronounce Towcester, anyhow!

In your PM you mentioned Susie Stringer (up to now I think you were saying Susan) and now I look back at PollyPoppet's Lusie Stringer, and smack my head and bow it in shame, and go back to the thing I was looking at last night -- the Susie Stringer birth record Deborah has now added to the thread.

I have an H of a time wading through the dense mass of prose that results when people copy census records holus bolus from FMP - all the extraneous verbiage with no emphasis on the main facts. Sometimes I kinda don't bother.

And I know from long practice how often transcribers mess up "L" and "S" (the number of sawyers Ancestry has called lawyers, for instance). Lucie may be a name, but Lusie isn't.

So what I want to do is look at the image to see whether that's exactly what happened. Trouble is, I can't find these people at Ancestry ...

Ha! Even better. Another good Ancestry trick is "Sh" for "Str" --

So here we are:

Henry Copping 28
Edith Copping 28
> Lusie Shinger 7 - stepdaughter
Frederick Copping 1
Edith Copping 5 months

And we look at the image, and indeed, that "L" looks like the "L" in the Lizzie higher up the page and not like the "S" in Shalstone on the page, for instance.

But I think we can take that as a mistranscription by the person who took the information from the original household schedule and transferred it to the census book.

I agree with Deborah, PollyPoppet had us where we want to be, I just wasn't paying attention.

There is only one other record for the name Susie Stringer in the GRO index:

Marriages Dec 1921
Stringer Susie Davies Worcester 6c 308
Davies John Stringer Worcester 6c 308

That might seem a little unlikely, but we should hold onto it.

There were births to that marriage in Worcester in 1922, 1927, 1929, 1933, so it's a possible.


You do need to get some certificates Derek before going farther.

Again Thanks Janey Cannuck,

Yes what a difficult language we have with all the dialects and regional variables.

I managed to have a chat with old Kath Yesterday, but she is still a little vague and confused with the passing of time. She doesn't seem to have a birth certificate, but I will ask her carer when i see her next to see if she knows where it might be.

Much of what we have so far struck a cord with her. Clearly the adopted family - the Whittons is all correct. She was adopted in the first few weeks of Birth on 6th June 1917. Although I am confused that on 1911 census children Dolly A Whitton 1899 and Rosalind Whitton 1901 seemed to have dissapeared since 1901.
Kath seamed happy and unaware of adoption until while at school the girls dragged her round to boys side and jeering pointed out a boy of similar age saying he was her uncle. He was a Reginald Copping - who later became a police superintendant at Towcester.
Of Susie Stringer, Kath thinks she had another child out of wedlock after 1917 and she remembers her getting married later to a man named Davis and having a family with him.
She remembers having rich aunts in Banbury area probably Copping.
She also remembered getting money present s from an uncle Copping on regular visits as a child. She says he lived at 9 Dyson St. Blackburn Northants ? - I couldnt find it, but there is the same address in Blackburn Lancs ? By nature of dotage I wonder if this could be birth father ?

Derek

Well that Stringer-Davies marriage is looking good then, so there's another certificate needed. ;)


At 9 Dyson, Blackburn, Lancs, in 1911, there was a family named Bracewell, so no help there.

I will send you the details of the possible Davies-Stringer children by private message.

btw, this Susie Stringer in 1911 answers to born in Norfolk:

STRINGER SUSIE 1894 17 Wandsworth London

She is a servant in this household:

HERSEY ROSETTA 1844 67 Wandsworth London
HERSEY THOMAS CHARLES 1845 66
HERSEY ELSIE HOPE 1883 28
HERSEY DAISY CONSTANCE 1885 26
NEWTH EVANGELINE 1877 34

Albert William Copping
Birth Date: 4 Apr 1906
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1986
Age at death (estimated): 79
Registration district: Blackburn
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 40
Page: 158

I think this could be the uncle in Blackburn as per 1911 census.

...and this record for the firstborn uncle, although I couldn't find a wife for him.

Frederick Samuel Copping
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1899
Death Registration Month/Year: 1973
Registration district: Banbury
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 2541

regards Deborah

edit:

1911:

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WHITTON, Dorothy
Address: Magpie Lane Brackley

JONES, Harriet Head Widow F 71 1840 Old Age Pensioner Silkstone Yorks
WHITTON, Dorothy Companion F 12 1899 Brackley Northamptonshire
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8312 Reference:
RG14PN8312 RG78PN428 RD159 SD1 ED5 SN30

Registration District:
Brackley Sub District:
Brackley EnumerationDistrict:
5 Parish:
Brackley

Address:
Magpie Lane Brackley County:
Northamptonshire

Rosalind's birth rec. is Rosalind May, born Jun 1900. I think she is just May on the 1911, also if she was born after March 1901 she would not have been on the 1901 census.

For reference:

WHITTON, Alfred Head Married
14 years M 35 1876 Butcher Slaughterman Meathbury Bucks VIEW
WHITTON, Sarah Wife Married F 37 1874 Charlton Northants VIEW
WHITTON, May F 11 1900 School Brackley Northants VIEW
WHITTON, Alfred Henry M 9 1902 Brackley Northants VIEW
WHITTON, Alice F 6 1905 Brackley Northants VIEW
BANNETT, John Single M 55 1856 Private Means Istone Northants VIEW

Just checked phone book records, da da !!!

Name: Albt W Copping
Address: 9 Dyson St
Exchange: Blackburn
City/Town: Blackburn
Directory title: Blackburn Apr
Publication Year: 1984
Directory County: Lancaster
Page Number: 122

Thanks Deborah and Janey,

what a fund of information, and hard work. I am getting a chronological sheet together adding all the confirmed information and it all fits in nicely. I want to ensure all this information is passed on to Kath of course and anyone else who may have interest in the data. I will also set up a Free tree on Kaths behalf to enable others to make use of the information.

Thanks again Derek