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Mary Coppoth married John Ector Dec 1844 Manchester (ref 20 697) - this much I know thanks to Ann of Green Gables!

However, I've been looking all day for the said Mary - can't find a single trace before the marriage. I have the family from the 1851 census right through to her death in 1876, and then John through to his death in 1887.

According to all the censuses Mary was born in Dukinfield, Lancashire. Can anyone find her, or do yo think it's a mistranscription?

Incidentally - discovered that there are lots of Lynnes on these boards so have changed my name to Merlynne.

Hope that hasn't caused confusion for anyone!!!

Lynne

For her fathers name this might help to find them

Marriages Dec 1844 (>99%)
COPPOTH Mary Manchester 20 697
ECTOR John Manchester 20 697

Would you like to share when she was born with us ?

Duhhh - sorry! According to the censuses she was born about 1816. I've checked through IGI, ANcestry etc, and can't come up with anything.

Lynne

Coppock looks interesting?

Hi Lindsey

Think I'm going to send for marriage cert and see what it says on there. Hopefully, it will have John Ector born in Dublin, and a clue as to Mary's surname proper!

I agree, the Coppocks look interesting. Thought I'd have it easy, such an unusual surname - although I have to say, when I started all this, I thought I'd have a fairly easy time - lots of unusual surnames!! However - strangely, it has been a lot harder to find the quirky ones, and much easier to find all the Hughes and Berry families!

Thanks

Lynne

Good idea and then put us all out of our misery when you get it ! The only likely is born 1815 0n the igi ?

That is the only COPPOTH entry in the entire GRO index. No birth, no marriage, no death apart from that marriage.

I make it a mistranscription of COPPOCK somewhere along the way.

Ector/Hector threads for ref:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1142482

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1137732

Right. Just ordered certificate (thank you, god of the internet) so will keep you posted when I find out more. Thought I was going mad for a minute there...

And, Evie - should this one's family turn out to be lunatics in a workhouse as well, I'm not telling you.....

LOL

Lynne

You thought you could hide by changing your name?


Mary in 1851:

Name: Mary Hector
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Lodger (with husband John and two kids)
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burslem


Where does dob 1816 come from?


About the only candidate in Lancashire in 1841:

William Coppock 45
Mary Coppock 45
Elizabeth Coppock 20
Annie Coppock 15
Mary Coppock 15 (c1822-1826)
Jane Coppock 11
Samuel Coppock 7
Ellen Coppock 5
Amelia Coppock 1

Maybe they had a speech impediment and thpoke wiff a lithp !

Evie - the date of 1816 comes from 1861 census - Mary is shown as being 45.

Ref: RG9/1928/12/17

Got her death as well:

Wolstanton Dec 1876 6b 81 aged 58

WHich again makes it about 1816ish.

As for the lithp.....

For ages, my family reckoned my Sarah Ector was really Sarah Hector, but spoke with a Manchester accent - so when asked her name, she probably said Surur 'Ector...... LOL

Going to bed now ladies - got to teach in the morning!!!!

Night night

Lynne

UPDATE:

Just got the marriage cert for John Ector and Mary, and also birth cert for one of their childen - Sarah Ector.

The marriage cert:

15 October 1844 St Mary's Church Manchester

John Ector full age Joiner Father James Ector Butcher
Mary Coppoth full age Father John Coppoth Gardener

BUT

on the birth cert:

17/2/1847 Salford

Sarah Father: John HECTOR Mother: Mary Hector formerly COPPOCK

So now I'm looking for her in the 1841 -sorry EvieBeavie, doesn't look like the one you found for me is the right one - wrong father's name. I'll carry on looking!

Thanks for all the help, ladies.

Lynne
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Hi Lynne,

Any good???

1841 England Census
about Mary Coppack
Name: Mary Coppack
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Backford
Hundred: Wirrall (Higher Division)
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub registration district: Cathedral Division
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Coppack 44
Charlotte Coppack 44
Ann Coppack 22
Mary Coppack 20
Thomas Coppack 18
Martha Coppack 14
Charlotte Coppack 11
John Coppack 9
George Coppack 5
Emma Coppack 2
Ann Shallcroft 83


John is an Ag Lab though.............. maybe Gardener was a posh term she used?????


Dee xx

Think I've now found Mary's birth as well:



MARY COPPOCK
Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
23 MAR 1822 Providence Independent, Dukinfield, Cheshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN COPPOCK
Family
Mother: PHOEBE

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Only one I can find in Dukinfield. Any one find anything else, please let me know!

Lynne

Thanks Dee - Postings crossed!! I'll see if I can find a birth for Mary Coppack with John and Charlotte as parents - but it would have to be in Dukinfield!!

Lynne
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Well done Lynne,

How about this for their marriage???

JOHN COOPOCK Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: PHEBE ROLLINSON Family
Marriage: 14 JUL 1814 Bowdon, Cheshire, England




Dee xx

Hi Dee

Just looked for the John/Charlotte parentage - there is one, but it's in Mollington, which is near Chester. As far as I can remember (long time since I lived oop north) Dukinfield is more over towards the west of Manchester.

On the censuses, Mary definitely says Dukinfield - so I reckon the John and Phoebe marriage is probably the best bet.

Incidentally, love the spelling of PHEBE - I also have another on a different branch - PHEOBE. And I think you are right about the Ag Lab - maybe he'd been cutting flowers for the wedding that morning, so she made him a gardener (LOL)!!

Lynne
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a propos of nothing found this\.
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Phebe Coppock
Name: Phebe Coppock
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 May 1801
Christening Place: Capesthorne, Cheshire, England
Mother's Name: Sarah Coppock

Hi Lindsey

"My" Phebe was only a Coppock by marriage - this could be a relation of some sort, maybe niece to John or something.

Just had a quick look in the 1841 census - you wouldn't believe how many people have the surname Coppock in Lancashire and Cheshire!!

Also looks like a lot of them were Quaker families (I googled) and emigrated to America. As mine were married in St Mary's Parish Church, Manchester, I doubt if they were Quakers.

Need to buy a bigger spade - for all my digging!

Lynne
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