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Hi, Can you help please. I have the GRO certificate for the wedding of Daniel Bailey in April 1864 at the RC church in Chelsea to Martina Oates. After the birth of his "only child " William in 1865 he ( Daniel ) can't be found . I need to apply for his Birth & Death Certificates .The marriage lines state he was born in Woodley Berks and his age was listed as 19 years, his occupation was Blacksmith.I can't find anything for him .So his birth and death are a mystery to me. Daniel is my 2nd Greatgrand Father.
Sheila

I've not known a marriage cert to say where someone was born but I could be wrong on that. What is Daniel's father called on the marriage cert?

Births Mar 1847

Bailey Daniel Wokingham 6 321

The district Wokingham spans the boundaries of the counties of Berkshire and Wiltshire

That would only have made him 17, not unheard of.

Do you have William on the 1871 census? Was William born in Chelsea?

Interestingly 1871:

Name: William Bailey
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Church
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132
Household Members:
Name Age
Emily Bailey 25
William Bailey 6
Maria Oates 63
Perry Oates 28
Charlotte Tosh 81

but that puts Emily as mother? Can't decide if it says unmarried or married but I'm sure it doesn't say widow.

Marriage

Martina Emily Oates 1864 Chelsea (1841-1981) Greater London, London, Middlesex
Daniel Bailey 1864 Chelsea (1841-1981) Greater London, London, Middlesex

Ah that solves that riddle. So, he's obviously not dead in 1871. So wonder where he is.

1881

Name: William Bailey
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Lakes
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 2 Luna St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Engineers Apptce (E&M)

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
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Household Members:
Name Age
Emily Bailey 35
William Bailey 17
Selina Garwood 49

Emily is a widow, but could that be assumed widowhood from abandonment? Or could it be that the 1871 census has her status wrong.

Possible death for Daniel:
Name: Daniel Bailey
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Poplar (To 1965)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 445

Would explain why no more children. I don't know the proximity of Poplar to Chelsea.

Sorry been off to Lunch ---Yes Daniel did marry Martina Oates . Daniel was Living in Woodley at the time of his marriage.I don't know where he was born. At some stage Martina became Emily whether she was born Martina Oates or Emily I don't know. She lived at 2a Princes Street Chelsea,and her father was a Butler --- Daniel's father was Daniel Pearce Bailey and he was born in Cold Ash and also a Blacksmith

Sheila

Looks like the 1861 entry that Susan posted is right one then. Which means he was a fibber on his marriage cert and he was only 17 and Swallowfields appears to fall under wokingham registration district making Fairthorn's birth likely.

It is possible the death in 1865

The viewed indexes do not show the age seems you would have to buy the certificate to find out.

Possible death although what he'd be doing in Aston, I don't know:

Name: Daniel Bailey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 32
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 196

I would try the 1865 one first, I think because of proximity.

Susan, it was the different M's that was throwing me. I decided that on it's own I would say married LOL

Yor could be right but 17 years old. I wonder if it was a 'Shot Gun " wedding. If Martina's father was a Butler,it very well could be. I have no idea when he died . I have just Googled Princes Street Chelsea and it took me to Hanover Sqr: and a very large house. Was Martina/Emily a Widow on the 1881 census ????
Sheila

Yes she was, Sheila.

Name: Emily Bailey
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Lakes
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 2 Luna St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Laundress

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
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Household Members:
Name Age
Emily Bailey 35
William Bailey 17
Selina Garwood 49

Selina is described as her sister.

There are a lot of families living in 2 Luna St.

Whois Selina Garwood I wonder????? That William age 17 is my Grand Father, so it is the right Emily Bailey.
I am afraid I must vanish for a while. It's picking up grandson Time. I'll be back in a while
Sheila

As I say, it says her sister, she's also a widow, but as she's considerably older she may even be a half-sister or Daniel's sister.

1851 Census Emily & family

Name: Emily Oates
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Chelsea
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 35 Blenheim St.

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
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Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Cates 44
Cecelia Oates 11
Emily Oates 6
Joseph Oates 3
Maria Oates 13
Martha Oates 16
Teresa Oates 9
Catherine Rogan 67
Fredrick Shade 1 (Grandson)
Celiena Thade 20


Note 'Celiena'? it also lists her as daughter of Maria born in Pimlico as 'Selina' in 1881 was. Now she and Frederick should either both be Thade or more likely Shade. One would assume she married Mr.Shade first then Mr.Garwood (she's listed as married here). Catherine Rogan is Maria Oates' mother. They're both listed as being from D'Rougheda, Ireland

1841 - Emily's mother. Is this her father (or is it Maria's father)? If so then it looks like their surname should have been Oates Travers (or perhaps just Travers if Oates was his middle name). I think it says he's in the army.

Name: Maria Oates
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Portsea Town
Hundred: Portsmouth Borough
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Portsea Town
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Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph OatesTraver 60
Maria Oates 45
Conway Oates 13