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Can I please ask for help with Frederick John Turner – s/o Levi Turner and Ellen Parsons baptised Winterborne St Martins Dorset ( Martinstown) Dorset 5th May 1878 and his sister
Ada Jane Turner d/o Levis Turner and Ellen Parsons baptised Winterborne St Martins ( Martinstown) Dorset 1Oct1876 -
This is last record I can find of them – No marriage – No Deaths – No 1901 nor 1911 census
National Archive Reference: 1891 census
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1643 Folio: 83 Page: 3
Reg. District: Wareham Sub District: Wareham
Parish: East Stoke Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: East Stoke City/Municipal Borough: Wareham
Address: West Holme, East Stoke, Wareham
County: Dorsetshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TURNER, Levi Head Married M 40 1851 Labourer Netherbury Dorsetshire – Died 1901 Mar qtr
TURNER, Mary Wife Married F 43 1848 Chesilborne Dorsetshire- Second Marriage
CHEESMAN, George Son Single M 19 1872 Labourer Chickerell Dorsetshire - step brother - Found
CHEESMAN, John Son M 16 1875 Labourer Cerne Abbas Dorsetshire - Stepbrother - Found
TURNER, Jane Daughter F 14 1877 Martinstown Dorsetshire - This is Ada Jane
TURNER, Fred Son M 13 1878 Labourer Martinstown Dorsetshire

Thank you all

I've found two who could be Fred:

LAND, William Head Married M 67 1844 Farm Labourer Tadnoll Winfrith Newburgh Dorset VIEW
GARLAND, Eliza Rebecca Wife Married
39 years F 63 1848 East Kingston Winfrith Dorset Newburgh VIEW
GARLAND, Elizabeth Sarah Daughter Single F 31 1880 Monte Video Crickett Bromley VIEW
GARLAND, Fred Son Single M 29 1882 Carter On Farm Buckland Ripero Dorset VIEW
TURNER, Frederick John Visitor Single M 32 1879 Farm General Labourer West Stafford Dorset VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12405 Reference:
RG14PN12405 RG78PN707 RD264 SD3 ED8 SN14

Registration District:
Dorchester Sub District:
Maiden Newton Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Long Bredy

Address:
Kingston Longbredy

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TURNER, Frederick Head Married
9 years M 32 1879 Carter Dorset Long Breddy VIEW
TURNER, Rosalie Ellen Wife Married
9 years F 37 1874 Dorset Pilson VIEW
TURNER, Frederick Alfred Son M 6 1905 Dorset Dorchester VIEW
TURNER, Hilda Lily Daughter F 5 1906 Dorset Dorchester VIEW
TURNER, Dora Muriel Daughter F 2 1909 Dorset Dorchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12385 Reference:
RG14PN12385 RG78PN705 RD264 SD1 ED8 SN192

Registration District:
Dorchester Sub District:
Dorchester Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Dorchester St Peter

Address:
3 the Grove Dorchester Dorset

Corrine
I think that West Stafford and Long Bredy in Dorset are not particularly near Martinstown - will go on opc dorset now and check

Thanks for info

Irene

Hi

1881 census


Name Levi Turner
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Ag Lab
Address
District Dorchester, Cerne
Parish Up Cerne
Administrative County Dorsetshire
Birth Place Netherbury
Birth County Dorset
in house
isaac turner head 60
susan turner wife 63
levi turner son widower 30
mark turner son unmarried 21
rose turner grandaughter 6
jane turner grandaughter 4
frederick turner grandson 3
RG 11 / 2114

1891 census

Name Rose Turner
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter
Occupation
Address Dorchester Road
District Dorchester, Cerne
Parish Cerne Abbas
Administrative County Dorsetshire
Birth Place Roke
Birth County Dorsetshire
in house
isaac turner head 67
susan turner wife 67
rose turner grandaughter 16
RG 12 / 1656

Hi Polly
Yes these are both them - when Levi remarried - my Granny Rose moved back to Isaac s her grandfather - there is also another sister Evelyn (Eva) - who also moved to her mother Ellen s parents - I presume it was not suitable for 16 and 18 year old girls to be living with their stepbrothers of 17 and 19 years

Both the sisters Rose ( who was actually registered as Rosina ) and Evelyn - married from their grandparents house

Levi - their father - died in 1901 - and I cannot find any trace Frederick and Jane after the 1891 census

Thanks for giving your time to help

Irene

Corrine

I have the details of this marriage now and will check it out - Long Bredy - Martins Town and West Stafford - are not close 6 miles and 20 miles -

Still well worth checking

Thanks you

Irene

Oh, well, it was worth a stab - there are a lot of Fred Turners!

Irene, you mentioned in your last message that the girls married from their grandparents' address - what were their married names? Any idea of their husbands' names and when they married?

Yes I have all the information on Evelyn and Rose - more or less to present day - Rose was my maternal grandmother - I have checked that Fred and Jane were not with them at any stage - also checked that they may ( goodness knows why) adopted the stepmothers name of Cheesman - also checked out the two Cheesman boys - they were not with them

One slight glimmer whilst rechecking and writing up my post I remembered that Mary Cheesman had a daughter Ann Jane Cheesman Cerne Abbas c1869 - who is shown as married to a C .G. ODonnell, c 1867 born Ireland
marriage Dec qtr 1890
Cheeseman Annie Jane Wareham 5a641
O'Donnell George Wareham 5a641

I had not paid to much attention to this - as it is not my line - Now I am thinking - did Jane and Fred go to Ireland
as there really does not seem to be a trace of either of them after 1891

Ah well - thanks so much for your help - is there a look up person for Ireland do you know - Did NI come under England - or were they all separate

Thanks for help

Irene

I am not sure whether to feel happy or
sad about not finding Fred and Jane Turner - happy as it would seem that I had searched properly and they have just " disappeared" or sad that I had missed something somewhere and GR researchers found them - or vice versa if you see what I mean

Irene in Spain

I have now checked out the stepsisters Irish husband - he was an orphan from Mount Cashel Orphanage -so my Frederick and (Ada) Jane are not likely to be with his family

Any one have any ideas where I could look next please

Thank you

Irene

Irene

Ive had just had a quick look and wondered if you had looked at this possible for Ada Jane?

I have looked at Ada Jane Turner's born from 1870-1876 and this is the results

Ada Jane Turner 1871 Apr-May-Jun Sussex, East Sussex
View Record

Ada Jane Turner 1873 Oct-Nov-Dec Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
View Record

Ada Jane Turner 1870 Jan-Feb-Mar Yorkshire - West Riding



Ada Jane Turner 1870 Jul-Aug-Sep Essex, Hertfordshire
View Record

Ada Jane Turner 1876 Jul-Aug-Sep Dorset

I then looked at marriages and found this

Willis William Lee 1901 Fareham Hampshire

Ada Jane Turner 1901 Fareham Hampshire

View Record
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Ada Jane Turner
Name: Ada Jane Turner
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Fareham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 821 (click to see others on page)



Looked at the 1901 and found this


1901 England Census
about Ada Jane Lee
Name: Ada Jane Lee
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Willis Wm
Gender: Female
Where born: Titchfield, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Sarisbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Titchfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 243
Household Members: Name Age
Willis Wm Lee 30
Ada Jane Lee 29

Her husband is from Martins Town

1901 England Census
about Willis Wm Lee
Name: Willis Wm Lee
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ada Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Martin, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Sarisbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Titchfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 243
Household Members: Name Age
Willis Wm Lee 30
Ada Jane Lee 29

I have just checked the census image and she is 24 and not 29.Makes her c1877 birthyear.

Well worth a look i think.

Irene

Had another look at 1901 census image and birth details are muddled i believe. The occupation of the husband Willis is listed on the same line as Ada and i looked for his birth and he i believe is born in Hampshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Willis William Lee
Name: Willis William Lee
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Fareham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 542 (click to see others on page)

So therefore the Martin's Town is for Ada i think

Here is his 1881 showing birthplace as Hampshire

1881 England Census
about Willis Lee
Name: Willis Lee
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Titchfield, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Titchfield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: Titchfield Common
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Titchfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Lee 44
Anne Lee 42
Alfred Lee 16
Alice Lee 13
Willis Lee 10
Ida Lee 8
Thomas Lee 5
Eva Lee 3

Oh wow - Michelle - well done - will print out records from your post - and spend tis afternoon checking them - thanks so much - will let you know - thanks so much for giving your time

Kind regards

Irene

Michelle - had a quick look again at Martins town baptisms - if she was born Martins town it is her - there is only one Ada Jane - baptized in Martins Town - can you see them in 1911 please -if they had children I can normally tell it is my Turners - as they use the same group of names fo at least some of the children - if not all - I really do think you have found her thank you so much so very excited - Thank Irene

Irene

I do not have access to the 1911 on the site i use. Hopefully someone here has and will help.
I feel confident it is her, and she was well hidden. The census records sadly are full of errors which make finding ancestors tricky sometimes.
I am off to work now, but i can look later for possible children born in the same area for you later.
Hopefully in the meantime someone will help with a 1911.

Michelle

hi irene

here you go

Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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LEE, John Head Widower M 75 1836 Carpenter Titchfield VIEW
LEE, Willis William Son Married M 40 1871 Chief Stoker Rn Titchfield VIEW
LEE, Ada Jane Daughter In Law Married
9 years F 35 1876 Mortimer in S Town VIEW
LEE, Ethel May Granddaughter F 9 1902 Titchfield VIEW
LEE, Helen Maud Granddaughter F 7 1904 Titchfield VIEW
LEE, Florence Granddaughter F 7 1904 Titchfield VIEW
LEE, Harry Grandson M 1 1910 Titchfield VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5671 Reference:
RG14PN5671 RG78PN257 RD92 SD2 ED5 SN63

Registration District:
Fareham Sub District:
Titchfield Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Sarisbury

Address:
Titchfield Common Hts County:
Hampshire

also this one think its the same guy

Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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LEE, Willis W Married ? 40 1871 Titchfield Hants VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
34972 Reference:
RG14PN34972 RD640 SD3 ED31 SN9999

Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District:
31 Parish:


Address:
County:
Royal Navy at Sea and in ports abroad
Person: LEE, Willis W
Institution: Venerable, SHIP: VENERABLE, ATLANTIC FLEET, GIBRALTAR
Military details: Ch Stoker

all the best
rache

thanks Rache thats wonderful thanks so much - will let Michelle know -

Many thanks Irene

Irene

Thanks to Rache that was kind :)

Other possible births from 1911 onwards with Lee surname and Turner maiden name are

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Dorothy G Lee
Name: Dorothy G Lee
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Turner
District: Fareham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 1064 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Alfred Lee
Name: Alfred Lee
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Turner
District: Fareham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 1059 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Gladys R Lee
Name: Gladys R Lee
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Turner
District: Fareham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 1041 (click to see others on page)



The above may not be Willis and Ada's children you would have to check with the records office. They are in the correct area though and do have the turner maiden name.

I will take a look for Fred tonight :)

Michelle