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Need help finding my Howsego family

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Katie

Katie Report 18 Feb 2009 09:12

Some of my family are Howsegos and they were from Canning Town. The head of the house was Frederick William (sometimes recorded as William Frederick) his wife was Emily (nee Morris) they had 5 children: Arthur, William, George, Albert and Martha. In 1911 Emily was living with a man called John Litson, they were living at 16 Martindale Road, Custom House. If anyone has any information please contact me

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2009 09:23

The marriage for ref:-

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
<<<<<Howsego Frederick W. Ham 4a 20
Massey Robert Basset West Ham 4a 20
<<<<<Morris Emily W. Ham 4a 20
Williams Edith Mary W. Ham 4a 20

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2009 09:25

Also for ref/-

Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
Howsego Arthur W. Ham 4a 128

Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
Howsego George W. Ham 4a 132

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
Howsego Albert W. Ham 4a 362

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
Howsego Martha W. Ham 4a 172

but no William so is this the correct family?

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2009 09:27

There were also these from W.Ham:-
Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
Howsego Rosina Susan W. Ham 4a 186a
Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
HOWSEGO Frances Louisa W. Ham 4a 161
Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
HOWSEGO Celia Florence E W. Ham 4a 189

so maybe two familys?

found this in the deaths:-
Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%)
Howsego Rosina Susan 1 W. Ham 4a 74
Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Howsego Frances Louisa 0 W. Ham 4a 57

so two of the girls died in infancy, so maybe the same family only never spoken about?

Are you looking to go forward, or backwards?

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2009 09:35

There is also this but as there is a middle name may not be the same Albert:-
Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%)
HOWSEGO Albert Edward 2 W. Ham 4a 83

edit:- not the same Albert as he is with the family in 1911 census!

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2009 09:37

Emily's second marriage:-

Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%)
BRAIDLEY Ruby V Wiseman W. Ham 4a 504
<<<<Howsego Emily (Litson) W.Ham 4a 504
<<<<Litson John (Howsego) W.Ham 4a 504
Wiseman Edward G Braidley W. Ham 4a 504

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2009 09:46

The family in 1911:-
Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District County
HOWSEGO ALBERT M 1907 4 West Ham Essex
HOWSEGO ARTHUR M 1900 11 West Ham Essex
HOWSEGO EMILY F 1881 30 West Ham Essex
HOWSEGO GEORGE M 1904 7 West Ham Essex
HOWSEGO MARTHA F 1910 1 West Ham Essex
HOWSEGO WILLIAM J M 1902 9 West Ham Essex

and finally found the birth for William:-
Births Dec 1901 (>99%)
HOUSEGO William John W. Ham 4a 190

but can't seem to find them in 1901 census??

Katie

Katie Report 18 Feb 2009 21:59

Thank you so much for replying, the information you gave me is correct and the right family.

One thing that is confusing me is that on the 1911 census Emily is listed as a widow, but Frederick didn't die until late 1923, so they were obviously separated, but she was married again before he died and I cant find any record of a divorce?

I need to look into the additional Howsego family you listed. I am finding it so difficult to find anything because my nan was a Howsego and sadly she died when I was young, but sadder still her father was obviously a Howsego and he died when she was just 8, so not a lot of information on that side of the family is known at all. I only have one Howsego left in my whole family, a great uncle in his 70s and he is desperate for any info, hence why I am searching for him.

Thanks again

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 18 Feb 2009 22:54

another member on here was searching for Housego's earlier this year - check in Search Trees for a connection

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Feb 2009 08:27

If you buy Frederick and Emily's marriage certificate it will give you Frederick's age so you can work out his date of birth. It will also give you his fathers name and occupation and names of witnesses which may help to find him in earlier census records.

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Feb 2009 08:51

Possible marriages:-

Search for
Type: Marriages Surname: howsego Phonetic search: on
First name(s): arthur Start date: Mar 1917 End date: Dec 1937

Marriages Dec 1921
Housego Arthur G (Dewar) Wandsworth 1d 1189
Dewar Hettie M (Housego) Wandsworth 1d 1189
The district Wandsworth spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Surrey

Marriages Mar 1924
Houseago Arthur T (Seaman) Mitford 4b 442
SEAMAN Beatrix M (Houseago) Mitford 4b 442
The district Mitford is in the county of Norfolk

only two for Arthur but both have middle names!
and no deaths that correspond with date of birth?
......................................................................................................................
Search for
Type: Marriages Surname: howsego Phonetic search: on
First name(s): george Start date: Mar 1920 End date: Dec 1940

Marriages Sep 1922
HOUZEGO George A (Brandley) Brighton 2b 600
Brandley Grace (Houzego) Brighton 2b 600
The district Brighton spans the boundaries of the counties of Sussex and East Sussex

Marriages Sep 1931
Housego George T (Emery) Watford 3a 3053
Emery Vida M (Housego) Watford 3a 3053

edited:-
so this is the correct marriage:-

Marriages Sep 1926
Housego George (Buckley) W.Ham 4a 866
Buckley Hilda (Housego) W. Ham 4a 866

1926 most likely!
Children to go with this marriage:-
Births Dec 1926 (>99%)
Howsego Agnes H (Buckley) W. Ham 4a 260
Births Sep 1929 (>99%)
HOWSEGO Violet M (Buckley) W. Ham 4a 311
Births Jun 1931 (84%)
Howsego George A (Buckley) W.Ham 4a 285


Katie

Katie Report 19 Feb 2009 09:11

Hi

I have got Frederick and Emily's marriage certificate. They were married on Christmas day 1898. At the time it says he was 20, which means he was born around 1878 and Emily was 18 which means she was born around 1880. Fredericks father was called George and Emilys father was called David.

I did look back on other census, but they never seem to appear, even on 1901 there is no trace of them! so annoying :)

Thank you

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Feb 2009 09:16

Search for
Type: Marriages Surname: howsego Phonetic search: on
First name(s): albert Start date: Mar 1923 End date:Dec 1943
District: all

Marriages Dec 1924
Housego Albert C (Riddle) Richmond S. 2a 1203
Riddle Florence (Housego) Richmond S. 2a 1203
The district Richmond S. is an alternative name for Richmond Sry and it is in the county of Surrey

Marriages Mar 1926
Houseago Albert G (Potter) Mitford 4b 405
Potter Doris I ( Houseago) Mitford 4b 405
The district Mitford is in the county of Norfolk

Marriages Mar 1927
Housego Albert (Tayler) Paddington 1a 96
Tayler Mary A (Housego) Paddington 1a 96
The district Paddington spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Middlesex

Marriages Jun 1933
Housego Albert E (Kitchener) Romford 4a 1413
The district Romford is in the county of Essex

Only one without middle name (1927 entry)?
Possible child for this couple:-
Births Sep 1929 (>99%)
HOUSEGO Albert ( Tayler) Paddington 1a 93
....................................................................................................................

Couldn't find a marriage for Martha.
Possible death:-
Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
Howsego Martha 1 Whitechapel 1c 382

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Feb 2009 09:19

What was your nan's name and date of birth?
Was your Great Uncle your nan's brother and was his name?

With a name like Howsego you can expect to have lots of spelling mistakes so keep an open mind on any findings!

Katie

Katie Report 19 Feb 2009 09:30

Hi Catherine

Thank you so, so much for all of your help.

My nan's name was Agnes Howsego, she was born on 26 October 1926, my great uncle was her brother and his name is George, he was born around 1932. Their father (Frederick and Emily's son) was also called George Howsego. He was born in 1903 and died in 1937.

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Feb 2009 09:30

Possible birth for Emily:-
Name: Emily Morris
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 67

Emily in 1891:-
Name: Emily Morris
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Elizth
Gender: Female
Where born: West Ham, London, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: 10 Forty Acre Lane

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David Morris 50 born: Sawbridgeworth - (Dock Lab.)
Elizth Morris 41 born: Wadham
William Morris 15 born: West Ham, London
David Morris 12 born: West Ham, London
Emily Morris 10
Albert Morris 8 born: West Ham, London
Arthur Morris 6 born: West Ham, London

Katie

Katie Report 19 Feb 2009 09:40

I just realised you put my great nan Hilda and Georges marriage on, yes that is correct, and also the children you put are correct, Agnes Hilda (my nan), Violet Matilda (my great aunt), George Alec (my great uncle), they also had another two daughters, Amy (born 1933) and Margaret Rose (1934)

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Feb 2009 10:02

Nearly forgot William:-
Possible marriages:-
Marriages Dec 1925
Howsego William (Butcher) W.Ham 4a 644
Butcher Lylie (Howsego) W.Ham 4a 644

only the one!

Possible children:-
Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Howsego Lylie N (Butcher) W.Ham 4a 380
Births Sep 1929 (>99%)
HOWSEGO William A (Butcher) W. Ham 4a 309
Births Jun 1931 (84%)
Howsego Alfred J (Butcher) W.Ham 4a 296
Births Sep 1933 (97%)
Howsego John V (Butcher) W.Ham 4a 287

These names will give you more chance of finding someone else who is also researching the same family!

Katie

Katie Report 19 Feb 2009 10:24

Thanks Catherine.

I had the William marrying Lylie, and their daughter Lylie, she died a year later which is sad.

I didn't have the other children though so thats great.

Thats the thing that would be the easiest, if i could find someone else that are searching. I am joined to Ancestry.com and can you believe I am the only person on the whole site who are researching Howsegos in and around London and Essex, seems crazy!

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Feb 2009 10:25

So far this is the closest I can get to a Frederick Howsego born 1878+/- in 1891 census:-
Name: Frederick Housago
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnwell, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: St Stephen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address: 35 King Street

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Norwich
Sub registration district: Mancroft
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William R Marshall 57 born: Norwich, Norfolk - Painter
Clara E Marshall 56 born: Trowse, Norfolk
Elizabeth Skipper 71 Boarder
Frederick Housago 13

The marriage for this couple:-
Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)
Hannah William Norwich 4b 419
<<<<Housego Clara Norwich 4b 419
<<<<Marshall William Robert Norwich 4b 419
Wright Matilda Norwich 4b 419

If only you knew where Frederick was born?