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i have 2 withness on my grandad marriage cert who i dont known who they are. can any one tell me how i can find out who they are.and were can i look.thank you for your help.

When was the marriage?

Who are the witnesses?

Where did it take place?

Who's marriage was it?

We can then try to help.

Dea x

sorry just had to do the tea. the marriage was in the 3nd june in 1923.between herbert edward james and emma jane sartain.in camberwell.the witnesses were richard edward court and the secord one was elizabeth alice james.i never heard of them before.thank you if any one can help.

Births Mar 1902
COURT Richard Edward Camberwell 1d 976

Dea x

the residence address on the marriage cert is 296 courmential road.try to read the hand writing.most be in camberwell london

If they were not family members then they were probably just friends of the couple.

If they were old enough you may be able to find them in the 1901 census. If they were born after 1901 then I think you will find it difficult.

You could put the names into the quick search boxes at the top of the page and see if any Genes member has these people in their tree.

Kath. x

At a guess I would think the address is more likely to be Commercial Road.

Kath. x

he most have been a friend of my grandparents thank you .

thank you its really hard to read this writing,i try married for the two.i did not think of that.

When and where was Herbert Edward born? - who was his father?

Dea x

i try and find elizabeth birth and see if she my grandad sister.the other one is still alive but she cant remember alot i think she 99 this yr.the only one left.thank you ever one for your help.i will try to put my grandad family together.he was born in 1903 and all born in camberwell.father was the same as my grandad.so that a start thank you.debbie

my grandad was born on 24th sep 1903.father name is herbert edward james too.dont know were he was born i know my great grandfather was a brass founder what ever what that means.thank you,

Are you sure your grandad was born in Camberwell? He may have been brought up there but this is the only birth for that name that I can find in 1903:-

Name: Herbert Edward James
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Newton Abbot
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 80

Kath. x

There is one born in London which could be a possible for your great grandfather:-

Name: Herbert Edward James
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 161

Kath. x

Hi Deborah,
It may be that the witnesses may not have been family nor friends of the couple. I have been told by a local historian that people used to be 'professional' witnesses and hang around in the hope of being asked, and be paid to be a witness at a marriage. I have seen it for myself when looking through marriage records on microfilm that the witnesses were the same at most of the marriages on that day.

It may not be so in your grandad's case. Fingers crossed, best wishes.

thank you everone i bear them all in mind.the other thing i thought is elizabeth alice james my grandad mother.cause i dont know his mother name,? so i think i have to buy his birth cert to see that i think.my grandad was born on the 24th sept 1903.he was 20 when he got married in 1923.thank you once again.