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Please can anyone help me .i am trying to find my grt grt grt grandparents .John James was b 1821 married B etsey b 1823 in worc .Betsey later married william oliver b 1831.trying to find betseys maiden name ,and her parents and johns parents .THANKYOU ANYONE WHO CAN HELP

Any idea when first husband died ?
or approx date of 2nd marriage ?
Was she still living in Worcester ?

have you looked for any marriage certs, their fathers names should be on them .if known

Possible marriage?

Marriages Dec 1838
HAMPTON William Kings Norton 18 511
HAMPTON William Dudley 18 511
>>>>James John Kings Norton 18 511
>>>>PATRICK Betsy Kings Norton 18 511
PRITCHATT Mary Ann Kings Norton 18 511
THICKENS Elizabeth Kings Norton 18 511
Waldron Margaret Kings Norton 18 511
WHITFIELD John D___l Kings Norton 18 511

Marriages Sep 1874

Bullock Charles Upton 6c 419
*****************James Betsey Upton 6c 419
Newell Martha Upton 6c 419
****************Oliver William Upton On Severn 6c 419
Webb Emily Upton 6c 419

that would make them 17 &15 rather young although It did happen.
What info have you found ie when did she marry either spouses. Were there children that were registered as this would give betsy's maiden name
her fathers name on the marriage certs too will give her maiden name

Possible 1861 census..... Betsey is a widow

Name: Betsey James
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Birtsmorton, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Berrow
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Upton On Severn
Sub-registration district: Upton on Severn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Betsey James 37
Mary James 19
Hannah James 11 b Berrow
Emma James 9
Caroline James 7
John James 2

If 1861 census is correct then this could be the family in 1851 census

Name: Betsey James
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Birtsmorton, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Berrow
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Upton On Severn
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
John James 30 b Pardock Worcs occ Farm Labourer
Betsey James 28
Mary James 8
Charles James 6
Ann James 4
Hannah James 1

Children born Berrow

could this be them??

Groom's Name: John James
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Betsey Gibson
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 29 Apr 1847
Marriage Place: Winterton, Lincoln, England
Groom's Father's Name: Thomas James
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Gibson
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M03381-3
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 989795
Reference Number: p43n85
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

gosh that marrige didnt last long !!
1881 census
Name: Betsey Oliver
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Berrow
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Rye Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Upton On Severn
Sub-registration district: Upton On Severn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John James 20
Hannah Maria James 17
Betsey Oliver 56



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2922; Folio: 8; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1341700.

Could Betsey be short for Elizabeth?

Marriages Dec 1842
FREEMAN Elizabeth Upton on Severn 18 613
JAMES John Upton on Sev 18 613


Birtsmorton where the Betsey in the 1851 & 1861 censuses was born is in the registration district of Upton on Severn

1841 census for Elizabeth/Betsey?

Name: Betsey Freeman
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Birts Morton
Hundred: Pershore (Lower Division)
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Upton upon Severn
Sub-registration district: Upton upon Severn
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Freeman 50 occ Ag Lab
Ann Freeman 45
Betsey Freeman 15
Ann Freeman 11
William Freeman 10
Margeret Freeman 8
Louisa Freeman 6
Harriott Freeman 3

Family all born in County

Thankyou every one who has sent me posts on this subject will now look at it all and reply to it .thankyou once again