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Hi everyone I hope you can help me find a Jane elizabeth Smith. I have been looking for months for her and can't find her. On my dads birth cert. it names her as Jane Elizabeth Lamb Nee Smith my granddad was Henry lamb b1855 York. On the 1891 census it states she was born Yorks and on the 1901 census it states Leeds. so I am not sure were she came from?. But all the Janes I have found so far from leeds have been married to someone else. Please help if you can it would be very much appreciated.
Thank you
Harold

Hi Harold,

this is just for ref;

First wife???

1881 England Census
about William Allenson
Name: William Allenson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: York All Sts North Street
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 23 North St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Lamb 26
Eliza Lamb 20
William Allenson 2


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1880
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ALLANSON Eliza York 9d 43
Lamb Henry York 9d 43



Can't see a death for Eliza, so maybe they separated, if so that's going to make it very difficult to trace Jane E Smith as there will be no marriage certificate for her fathers name.




1891 England Census
about Henry Lamb
Name: Henry Lamb
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: All Saints North Street
Ecclesiastical parish: York
Town: York
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Lamb 36
Jane Lamb 23
Eva Lamb 3
Henry Lamb 1



Dee xx

Looks like Eliza is still alive and kicking, so there wont be a marriage to Henry and Jane, that's going to make it extremely difficult;



1901 England Census
about Eliza A Lamb
Name: Eliza A Lamb
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: York
Ecclesiastical parish: Micklegate St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Lamb 40 <<<<<<<<<<
William Allanson 22 <<<<<<<<<<
John Derbyshire 42
George Broadhead 26


Dee x

Hi Dee, thank you for replying, that is the family and yes Henry was married before, and his new wife or partner goes under the name of Jane only, which has made it difficult to find her?

Hi Harold,

Have you found Eva or Henry in 1901???

Were there any other children born to henry and jane after the 1891 census???

I think I found jane in 1901 as a boarder, does that sound right with your findings???


Dee xx

Hi Harold,

just going to "pop" this one in, might be wrong, however I need to chase it further;


1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Jane Smith
Name: Elizabeth Jane Smith
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Kate
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: York St Mary Bishopshill Jnr
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 8 Watson Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
David Smith 38
Kate Smith 40
Annie Smith 14
Elizabeth Jane Smith 12
Kate Smith 6


Dee x

Hi Dee, Henry and Jane are on the 1901 census with other children, eva became emma b1888, Sarahj b1894, Elizabeth b1896, Henry b1897 mmy father. and Alice b1898, Eliza b1900 all born york. my grandfather henry Lamb died 1909

Your could be right Dee, she may have come from yorks, but I could'nt find many yorks Smiths

Hi Harold,

Crickey how's this been mistranscribed!!!!! OK, it hasn't been mistranscribed.............


1901 England Census
about Henry Taylor
Name: Henry Taylor
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: York
Ecclesiastical parish: North Street All Saints
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 151
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Taylor 46
Jane Taylor 33
Emma Taylor 13
Sarah Taylor 7
Elizabeth Taylor 5
Henry Taylor 4
Alice Taylor 3
Eliza Taylor 6 months


Was your fathers birth registered under Taylor???


Dee xx

Hi Dee, He was born lamb before his mother Sarah Lamb married Taylor, Did you manage to find any marriage for this Elizabeth jane born york?

Hi Harold,

I'm struggling to trace the Smith family prior and after 1881, I'll keep digging for awhile longer.

I just thought , however might be sheer coincedence, that a lady with a very similar name is living in close proximatey to Henry .....



Dee x

If the Ladys name is taylor it will be Henrys mother

Still looking, just incase someone else pops along to help (PLEASE) and the Taylor Lamb thing confuses;


1861 England Census
about Henry Lamb
Name: Henry Lamb
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: St John, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: York St John Micklegate
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132
Household Members: Name Age
John Taylor 37
Mary Taylor 25
Henry Lamb 6
John Taylor 2

You've got it right Dee, Sarah Lamb had Henry Lamb before she married John Taylor, Her single name was Lamb. and Thank you so much for all you are doing

I've been looking for the Smith family I found earlier, the father David is living with another lady and her 2 elder children, can't see Kate Snr, I may have found Elizabeth Jane Smith working as a servant close by in 1891, however it's definate................ so we still need to find a DEFINATE with your lady Smith.

Has the 1911 census thrown up any extra clues???

Dee x

Hi Dee, I misread one of your messages, Henry Lamb my grandfather b1855 was reg. under the name Lamb.
My father Henry Lamb b1897 was reg. under Lamb. Hope this helps with the confusion of Lamb and Taylor

On the 1911 census Jane or jane e has disappeared. found son henry 1897 with another Lamb john b1902 sent for his cert, and he is also Henry and Janes son. the boys were lodgers in Strensall yorks . Found 2 girls in the same area Alice and Elizabeth which I think is Eliza same age. Elizabeth was living with John taylor as his adobted Neice. Never found Sarah jane or Eva

Looking at Elizabeth Jane Smith again, there was only 1 possible marriage for her.... I haven't been able to find our lady with the possible spouses.

It seems strange that on the 1881 census for this lady her complete name was written down, this is often a sign that she went by her middle name........... so we could be on the right track......... very similar name....similar dob......... same area as Henry Lamb in 1881, just frustrating that I can't tie it all in for you Harold.


Dee x

Hi Dee I can't thank you enough for all the efford you have put in to finding the smith girl, You have been absolutly brilliant , I have to go and get my grand chlidrens tea ready, I will look back later, if you find no more information I know you have done all you could, and I can't express how gratful I am for all your help.
God Bless for now
Harold

Ooh Smiths don't you just love them....

The Jane E Smith born 1867 Leeds, parents John and Ann are still in Armley Leeds in 1881 and 1891, so I wouldn't think this is your lady.. and the Jane E Smith born 1870 Leeds is still with her parents in 1891..... so another 1 ruled out.


I can't find any census info for this birth;

Births Jun 1868
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SMITH Jane Elizabeth York 9d 57


I think this maybe the lady I've been following with the parents being David and Kate, and I'm hoping this is your Grandmother... however proving it is going to be difficult.


Dee x