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HA,
hope you have a nice bank manager like I do,those hard earned credits go quickly.
If I am ever able to meet the 2 greatgrandfathers, in the next life, when I get there, who really helped set me on the trail of enjoying a good mystery I would give them my bill for some of the searching I have done
And a thank you of chocs and flowers would go to the person for the patience of spending time helping me learn how.
But of course, they had a good student ,even though I say it myself!!
Good luck with the hunting
viv

Well I did it!! AND>>>>>> am addicted! Wow what a great site.... so much information at the click of mouse and voila print off and copy, it;s perfect. Wish more of my ancestors came from Scotsland now lol. Thanks ladies ... my tree is growing by the minute.

I am sure even though Viv is no longer talking to me and a noose is dangling precariously from her large forboding family tree.... she is secretly very pleased to have solved part of a mysterious tale with threads of intrigue and shrouded in questions!

I bet if she were talking to me she would say it was fun being proven right and doing in it front of evie so she could brag of her adeptness at stripping away the false evidence to reveal the truth!

Yvonne >>>> rushing off to join Scotlandspeople just because Viv told Evie I should :-)

Why thank'ee, Viv, mighty kind of you to tell me all that. ;)

Strangle Yvonne?? Me do that?
I have a nice strong tree marked out,and a VERY strong rope,just rounding up a posse ready for the capture and help with the hanging, then the fun of the drawing and quartering can begin.

I KNEW it was the right marriage and children,I felt it in my bones,everything just seemed right,even down to them going missing on census.

Even though I am no longer speaking to Yvonne I will now give all the details from the marriage of stanton and brown for you Evie.

William john stanton,swing machine fitter,of,19 london road,glasgow age 23,father john stanton,labourer,mother,catherine stanton,nee kelly.

Agnes brown,power loom weaver,of,3 mckienhie street,age 20,
father ,william brown ,cotton weaver,mother mary brown ,nee kerr.
{please note NO middle name for agnes}

minister,donald carmicheal in the st marys chapel glasgow on 21/5/1886.
witnessed by,patrick stanton and catherine stanton.
No Browns in view.


Birth of william john stanton 1886
mother agnes stanton ,nee brown {please note NO middle name}
father john stanton,swing machine fitter.
born at 3.45 am on 27/5/1886
At 85 mckienhie st glasgow.
They had been married just SIX DAYS,boy that was close!!

Michael stanton is not yours,different parents.

Yvonne will now need to join SCOTLANDSPEOPLE and spend some of HER hard earned credits to go further back.

One irate but self satisfied VIV for being right in the first place.

In the IGI

John Stanton
Spouse: Catharine
Marriage: About 1837 Of, , , Ireland
Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information: No source information is available.

So nobody else knows any more than what's in the 1871.

But you should be able to find John's birth at Scotlandspeople, if you're wanting to trace son William Stanton's ancestry.

Yvonne ... we'll try to break this to you gently. ;)

They weren't married!

It was a very easy matter to flit from country to country and announce you were married when you got there.

Or claim to be not married, and then marry, true. My gr-grfather's sister's husband's uncle had wives in Wales, Chile, NSW and England ... at least two at any given time, as far as I can tell. ;)

They undoubtedly didn't marry in Australia because they already had children when they arrived, and how would that have looked then?!

I found him I found him!

1871

Name: John Stanton
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Catherine
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Occupation: Scholar

Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
>> Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire

John Stanton 50 - born Ireland, railway labourer
Catherine Stanton 45 - born Ireland
Wm Stanton 23 - born Ireland
Patrick Stanton 19 - "
Margt Stanton 17 - "
Annie Stanton 15 - "
Bridget Stanton 13 - "
Catherine Stanton 11 - "
John Stanton 8
Address: 21 Main St

You are a saint for persevering .... wild goose chases I guess are part of the territory in here huh (ducking for cover from Viv lol)

At least now I am kinda back on the right track I hope!

The puzzle of their marriage continues... As the girls were all born in South Africa and all carry the HANKS name I wonder if they even got married over there and not in Australia as history states.

I got some great old photos of Agnes and Harry and their children both here and in South Africa at school so I ahve faces to the names now. Makes the story much more alive when you can visualise them. Thanks you two xoxo

1891 at same address:

William Brown 57
Isabella Brown 47 - new wife?
Ann Brown 19 - power loom weaver
Isabella Brown 17 - power loom weaver
James Brown 13 - scholar (phew!)


Can't identify Agnes as Stanton, Murray or Brown in 1891.


I wonder whether Murray and Stanton got mixed up in the telling of the tale, and she left Stanton for Murray? Or was with Murray first, but not married to him, and married Stanton?

Oh wait ... the only reference to Murray is on that late marriage certificate in Australia that we are now pretty certain had nothing to do with her? Well that simplifies matters, anyway!

and in 1881 in Calton:

Wm Brown 48
Mary Brown 44
John Brown 24
> Wm Brown 22
Agness Brown 15
> Annie Brown 9
> Bella Brown 6
> James Brown 3
> Mary Brown 7


All the names on your list of sibs.


How entertaining:

Name: Agness Brown
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3 Mckechnie St
>> Occupation: Are None Of Chose Children Scholars


!! The transcribed record at Ancestry says the same for all children younger than Agnes. ;)

And this looks like them in 1871 maybe:


Name: Willm Brown
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margt (possibly mistranscription of Mary)
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
>> Occupation: Cotton Weaver

Registration district: Bridgeton
>> Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: James Street 22

Willm Brown 38
Margt Brown 33
John Brown 14
Wm Brown Jr. 12
Geo Brown 9
Jas Brown 8
Grace Brown 6
Agnes Brown 5

So this one of Viv's (who might now throttle you):

1886
STANTON JOHN
BROWN AGNES
CALTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/04 0146

On the marriage cert of Agnes Brown it says shes 20 [i.e. c1866]
father william ,cotton weaver
and mother mary{deceased}maiden surname,,Kerr

John Stanton is a ,,swing machine fitter
and Agnes is a ,power loom weaver.


is looking like it may very well be the right person/marriage.

Oh Evie.... my head is spinning! Today I finally got an email from a distant cousin that dispells my theory of Agnes being a Murray! Confirmation that indeed she was an Agnes Mary BROWN, born in 1866.

She died in 1934 and age on d/cert listed as 68. Parents listed as William BROWN and Mary KERR.

I am beginning to think this marriage certificate from Victoria may not be hers either :-( It's the oly one I can find though so I guess it's back to the drawing board.

I did find some siblings for Agnes BROWN and some details which may help trace her further....
sister............ Mary BROWN married Jake Gibson
sister.............Annie BROWN married William TELFER
brother...........James BROWN
brother..........William BROWN
sister.............Isabella BROWN married Thomas BANNERMAN at Middelton Parish Church 26/6/1904

All the above from hand written notes... not actualy certificates in possession.

so back to the drawing board for me lol.

Yvonne -- I'd be thinking you have got a completely unrelated marriage certificate. ;)

All the details are so just plain wrong!

Could it actually be the marriage of one of her sons, who coincidentally married an Agnes??


Just to clarify re the son -- "assumed he went by the name Harold Stanton" -- you mean William Stanton?

We were led to believe Agnes and Harold followed her son William (born to stanton and later changed his name to Hanks so assumed he went by the name Harold Stanton) to Adelaide South Australia.

They actually married in Melbourne Victoria in March 27th 1915 but eventually settled in Bridgetown Western Australia. She died there, he remarried and later died in Perth.

I actually wonder if they got other people to represent them using their names to be married as the ages on that marriage certificate are 23/18 and pretty clear I have that copy. As I said the parents names were incorrect for her and both said they were born in NSW.

Hope in a week I will have both their death certificates so will update you then !

One Agnes Maude birth between 1865 and 1874

3 1872 MURRAY AGNES MAUDE F NORTH BUTE /BUTE 557/00 0026

viv

william murray / mary kerr marriages from SP

10 1873 MURRAY WILLIAM KERR MARY DUNOON AND KILMUN /ARGYLL 510/00 0020 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

12 1862 MURRAY WILLIAM KERR MARY L ARBROATH /ANGUS 272/00 0078

There are no charles edward murray / mary clare marriages after 1855 up to 1933 on SP.
Or charles edward murray / mary kerr marriages.
viv

No Viv, my relative still hasnt forwarded her death certificate so as soon as Easter is over I will order and pay for it from Western Australia. I do hope it has some some accuracies on it as I think Agnes lied so much to cover her past that the details on that may not be truthful either. Especially since it was away from her birth country, but lets hope it gives something concrete.
Will post as soon as I get it. :-)

Do we have the death cert details?
viv