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Looking for PELHAM OBBARD. He and twin Howard were born in 1848 to Matilda [nee Newton] and Joseph Obbard. Howard goes on to marry, but the last sighting of Pelham is on the 1851 Census age 13. I have not found him on any marriage, death, further census, or emmigration records , and would like to know what happened to him. His name however seems to live on as the middle names of 2 nephews. I am hoping someone either has him on their Tree, or has some sort of information on him.
Thank you for any help.
Pat
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1861 England Census about Pelham Obbard
Name: Pelham Obbard
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Matilda
Gender: Male
Where born: South Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Obbard 65
Matilda Obbard 54
Helen Obbard 25
Julia Obbard 23
Frances Obbard 21
Augustus Obbard 16
Howard Obbard 13
Pelham Obbard 13
Mary Ann Shearman 40
Ann Warman 24
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Oh, I do wish I had a Pelham Obbard in my tree ... what an excellent name!
He may well be lurking somewhere mistranscribed.
Jill
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Just for reference:
1851:
Name: Pelham Abbard
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Matilda
Gender: Male
Where born: South Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Dulwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Abbard 55
Matilda Abbard 44
Matilda E Abbard 24
Eliza H Abbard 16
Helen Abbard 15
Julia Abbard 13
Frances Abbard 11
Augustus N Abbard 6
Edward Abbard 3
Pelham Abbard 3
Ann A Woodman 26
Arthur S Woodman 4 Mo
Mary Langley 34
Caroline Legg 32
1861:
Name: Pelham Obbard
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Matilda
Gender: Male
Where born: South Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Obbard 65
Matilda Obbard 54
Helen Obbard 25
Julia Obbard 23
Frances Obbard 21
Augustus Obbard 16
Howard Obbard 13
Pelham Obbard 13
Mary Ann Shearman 40
Ann Warman 24
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Well, I've tried all sorts of different variations - including reversing his names - and beyond what's already been posted and his birth reg'n - zilch ...
He's a puzzle isn't he?
Jill
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Well maybe his sister marry a
Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%)
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Griffeths Martha W London 2 294
Groves James W London 2 294
Jaques Thomas W. London 2 294
>>>>Langham Samuel Frederick W London 2 294
>>>>Obbard Matilda Elizabeth W London 2 294
Perrin Thomas London W 2 294
Russell Sarah London W 2 294
Stuart Ann W London 2 294
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I think that has to be him Barbara - there can't be more than one Pelham Obbard ... well spotted.
Jill
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Its a shame it doesn't give more info though ie Age etc.
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That marriage -
Matilda Elizabeth Obbard
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Spouse Name: Samuel Frederick Langham
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Sep 1851
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Joseph Obbard
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Frederick Langham
Source Citation: Guildhall, St Andrew Holborn, Register of marriages, 1851 - 1853, P69/AND2/A/01/Ms 6672/17
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But he'd be on the emigration records wouldn't he?
I can only access the immigration records but someone could look ...
Between 1861 and 1874 - that'll confirm it then.
Jill
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Yes it looks as if it is the same family-
-I don't have full Ancestry to see when he went to Australia --maybe someone will have a look please :-)
Thank you
Barbara
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I forgot Ancestry had a "pay as go" on as well !!
Haven't found Pelham yet but wonder if this is his brother
Name: Howard Obbard
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 24 Nov 1874
Vessel Name: Parramatta
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
Name: Pelham Obbard
Probate Date: 9 Apr 1875
Death Date: 2 Aug 1874
Death Place: Australia
Registry: Principal Registry
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This is the Transcribed bit of the link above
Name: Pelham Obbard
Probate Date: 9 Apr 1875
Death Date: 2 Aug 1874
Death Place: Australia
Registry: Principal Registry
So I wonder if that was brother Howard going to "sort things out" in Australia
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OBBARD Pelham
Effects under £200
9 April Administration of the effects of Pelham Obbard late of Maryborough Queensland Australia Government Agent a Bachelor who died 2nd August 1874 at Tories Island Australia was granted of the Principal Registry to Matilda Elizabeth Langham (wife of Samuel Frederick Langham the Younger) of 22 Caversham Road Kentish Town in the County of Middlesex the Sister and one of the next of kin
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Ooohh!
If you google obbard torres strait,you get a hit from the NLA newspapers:
THE LATE MURDERS AT TORRES
STRAITS.
(From the Rockhampton Bulletin, Sept l8.)
By the Tinonee yesterday, Mr. G. B. Shaw received
n letter from Mr. Alivian Bowden, giving the sad de-
tails of the late murders committed at Torres Islands.
The letter was written on board the schooner South-
ern Cross, off Hodda Bay, San Christoval, It is dated
14th August, and mentions that the Lyttona,
schooner, homeward bound, was then in sight. With
reàpeet to the murders Mr. Bowden writes :
I ara sorry to have very bad news to communicate.
Poor Mr. ObbaTdrrnd the mate were killed by natives
of Lau,', one of the Torres Group of islands, on the
'2nd instant. The circumstances of the case are
these :-On the first instant we arrived at Bokâ Boka,
the southermost island of the Torres Group
The boat was kepi going between the vessel
and shore all day, purchasing yams, &c. The
natives appeared friendly enough, but are great
thieves. On the 2nd instant, at 2-80 p.m., the
boat went ashore at Lnu, the .second island, in
charge of the mate, Mr. Haskill, Mr. Obbard,
(the Government .agent) accompanying him. She
touched at two or three places, the vessel being at
the time hove to, drifting Off shore. About four p.m.
we saw the boat leave the shore, with a number of
natives in her. The vessel then stood in for the
shore. When the boat had pulled off a short dis-
tance, the natives jumped overboard and swam
ashore. The boat then pulled inshore, and backed
stern on to the beach. A large crowd of natives sur-
rounded her, and she was presently, seen to go sud-
denly over on her broadside; at the same time a
gre.it noise was heard ashore, and it became evident
that there wai something wrong.^ The other boat
was got out as quickly as possiole, but as she was
bottom up on deck, this toole sorbe time. Got all
the arms into lier, ùith the beat crew we could
muster, and pulled in for the. shore. At a short dis-
tance from the ship met three of the boat's crew
swimming towards her. They declined as-
sistance, but asked ug to go after the fourth
man, who was much further inshore W6 did so,
and picked him up. He told us that the mate
¿nd Government agent were dead. As it was
pow late, and nothing could be seen of the'
boat or natives ashore, vie returned to the ship, and
rendered what assistance we could to the wounded.
One of the men was shot with a bone arrow, in his
right temple, just above the eye, a wooden arrow was
in his left arm, above the elbow; and a nasty wound
on the top df his head, caused by a blow from a club.
A second man had a bone arrow through his right
arm, The third was severely bruised about the small
of the back, from blows given with clubs. The fourth
escaped unhurt. The arrows were taken Cut by their
countrymen, and the men are now nearly all right.
It seems from the statements of the crew that the
natives got into a boat, expressing a wish to "go
Brisbane," which was about all the English they
Could speak; that they jumped overboard, as already
stated ; that when the boat backed m the last
time lu natives crowded around her, and at a
given signal from the beach threw themselves
upon our men, so that they could not use
their firearms, and that some held whilst othere
clubbed the mate and the Government agent.
The crew then took to the water and swam off. Tiley
saw the natives taking the dead bodies into the bush.
Next morning we landed at Boka Boka, and got an
interpreter ; then went back to Lau, pulled inshore
*ith the boat, and anchored ner within pistol shot,
the interpreter then swam ashore, and after a deal of
talk they brought the boat and four oàrs from the
bush. We tried to get the bodies, but without suc-
cess, as they said they were buried a long way in the
nush. We' also recovered Mr. Obbard's Snider rifle
.tod the mate's revolver, but the trade-box and fire
jxms of the boat's crew were lost. Landed the inter-
preter, and stood away for Makira Bay, hoping to
full in with a man-of-war. Arrived at Makira at I
noon on the 10th, and filled up with wood and water.
As there was no man-of-war at Makira, we left a
statement of the affair for the" first cruiser that
arrives there. _ _ _ _ ]
etc.
Maureen
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Thank you Choccy, did you copy and paste, or copy it out ? I was trying to copy and paste but couldn't get it work.
Barbara xx
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Oh Maureen, What a good find---its awful what happened to them, but great they live on all these years later viia the
internet.
I wish Patricia would come back and give us a bit of feedback to see if they are the right ones she asked about.
Barbara x
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