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Looking for a death for Samuel.

Ive tracked him across all the (England) census from 1841 right up to 1891 but cannot find either him or his wife Susanna in 1901. Both were alive in 1891, Samuel aged 81 and Susanna aged 80.

They had their son John with them on every census and in 1871 and 1881 had grandsons Charles and John jnr with them too. By 1891 they were just a couple.

(I can give you the source citations if this makes it easier)

I cannot find a marriage at the moment for them either so I do not have any previous history or a maiden name for Susanna.

Any help would be much appreciated.
a) with the death of both Samuel and Susanna
b) with the maiden name
c) who was John's wife and why is she not on the census with him?
d) anything else you can help me with

thank you

Julie

PS, have discoverd John was not married. So i wonder who all the children belong to?

Deaths Mar 1897
Orry Susan 87 Spilsby 7a 385

ahh Susan!!! No wonder i couldnt find it!!! Thank you - where did you find it?

Could this be a possibility?

LL

Deaths Dec 1893
Horrey Samuel 84 Spilsby 7a 403

In FREEBMD.com

In the 1871 & 1881 John is shown as unmarried, so could the grandsons be the offspring of a sibling of John?

Horrey - didnt try that but very possible! Fits with the age doesnt it? Gives me another search perameter too.

Kendo - there were only three boys, John, George and Samuel. If not Johns. they must be George's as Samuel would only have been 10 when grandson Charles was born.

Anyone had any luck with the marriage yet?

Also trying to find out what happened to Ann, Samuel and Suanna's daughter born in 1833c. She is on the 1841 census as an 8 year old but i cannot find her after that.

wondering if the first grandson William Begg, is Ann's child - he was born in 1853, she died in 1854. Cant find a birth for him either.....

I would guess you need someone to look up parish registers for you as they would probably have married before civil registration

This is the 1851 census, There is the possibility that the grandsons were the children of the Daughter Susannah.

Search Results - Lincolnshire 1851 Census Transcript
Printed on Monday, 11 August 2008

Surname Forename Age Relationship Occupation Birth Place Address Folio Reference S&N File Reference
Orrey Samuel 42 Head Shoe Maker Journeyman Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
Orrey Susanna 42 Wife - Keal, Lincolnshire
Orrey John 11 Son Scholar Halton Holegate, Lincolnshire
Orrey Susanna 8 Daur Scholar Halton Holegate, Lincolnshire
Orrey Sarah 5 Daur - Halton Holegate, Lincolnshire
Orrey George 3 Son - Halton Holegate, Lincolnshire
Orrey Mary 8 MO Daur - Halton Holegate, Lincolnshire

Rectory House, Halton Holegate, Lincolnshire
HO107/2109/~F333 CD6 HO_2109b.pdf p.58

Ann's death?

Deaths Mar 1854
Orrey Ann Boston 7a 251

Actually thats a thought. I just assumed because the younger two are Orreys that they would be sons of the sons. I know that the daughter Sarah had a child in the workhouse (Sarah is my GGgrandmother) so I guess its quite possible that her sisters may have also been, shall we say, wayward?

Im having trouble tracking George after the 1861 census. Cant find a marriage but found a George in service in Hampshire. Unlikely but possible I suppose.

I thought that might the correct death Lancs Ann. would explain why little William was with his grandparents. Wonder where his dad is? (Or who, in fact!)

do we all agree that Charles and John jnr are probably Susanna jnr's children?

Cant be Mary's. She isnt on the 1851 census as a 14 year old but she seems to have a baby sister with the same name. Two possible deaths for Mary in 1845 and 1846.

do you have these - parents Samuel & Susan

1. SARAH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JUL 1848 Little Steeping, Lincoln, England

2. GEORGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUL 1848 Little Steeping, Lincoln, England

Yes, Sarah was actually born about two years earlier. George is the next sibling along (according the census) so they must have been christened together. Gives me a church though, so thats useful thank you.

Where did you find them? I cant find anything I want today!

found on the IGI
http://www.familysearch.org

can't find any of the others though

Found a birth for John jnr in 1866 - Horncastle.

Ive checked the maps and all the birth places and christening places are really close together. I always think thats encouraging!

Cant find Charles though

Susan Orry of Halton Lincs, 18 years old, was in service in North Mimms, Herts in 1861

birth & marriage of Susannah ?

Births Dec 1842
Orrey Susannah Spilsby 14 141

Marriages Jun 1866
Orrey Susannah Spilsby 7a 1134 to either


GILL Thomas Spilsby 7a 1134
THORNDYKE John Spilsby 7a 1134

Kendo youre a star. Somewhere here in my scribbled notes it says that Susanna Orrey married John Thorndyke in 1866!

Cant find them on the 1871 census.....

are these the same people?
if so the surname of the sons is interesting

John THORNDYKE Head M Male 38 Worksop, Lincoln, England Ag Lab
Susan THORNDYKE Wife M Female 41 Wellingore, Lincoln, England
William TOOLEY Son Male 12 Wellingore, Lincoln, England Scholar
John TOOLEY Son Male 9 Wellingore, Lincoln, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling 27 High Street
Census Place Wellingore, Lincoln, England
Family History Library Film 1341769
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3224 / 75
Page Number 14