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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 22 Aug 2008 08:39

*EDITED! WRONGLY PUT CLARENCE PREVIOUSLY - REPLACED WITH CLEMENT - MANY APOLOGIES *


Hello! I'm trying to trace back my Powell family and maybe make some contacts. I have tried this before so briefly I have:
William b. 1829 Tolworth Surrey
His sons Maurice Augustus (Somerset), Horace (B'ham) and Clement William (Yardley). Horaces's children Phillip, Clement, Lizzie, Hilda and Kathleen. (All born Birmingham area).

I've now found my gg uncle Clement William living in Edmonton in 1901 with his wife Annie and children Lucy, William, Nora and Augustus (registered Maurice Augustus, named after Clement's brother).
Worth noting that Clement had dropped his 1st name and on the census appears as William. I also suspect that his wife was actually Sarah Ann as I have found a relevant marriage. Also Clement and Augustus seem to be "family" names as they crop up elsewhere.

Ring any bells?

Jan

Ann

Ann Report 22 Aug 2008 09:15

have you tried search trees at the top of the page you may find some connections

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 22 Aug 2008 09:17

Yes Ann, I have searched around but no luck so far.
Jan

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 10:46

Births Dec 1865 (>99%)
Powell Maurice Augustus Bedminster 5c 766


1871

Name: William M Powell
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Tolurrth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Registration district: Peterborough
Sub registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 248
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Brice 18
Amelia Peutney 7 months
Mery Elizth Peutney 1
Phebe Peutney 28
William Henry Peutney 29

Clement Wm Powell 10 months
Elizabeth Powell 28
Musrose Augustus Powell 5
William M Powell 42 Commercial Traveller
(Lodgers)

Name: William M Powell
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
born: Tolurrth, Surrey

Name: Elizabeth Powell
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
born: Birmingham, Lancashire

Name: Musrose Augustus Powell
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
born: Tatton, Somerset

Name: Clement Wm Powell
Age: 10 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
born: Yarsley, Warwickshire

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 10:55

Think you may have made a mistake for the name of second child as couldn't find a birth record for a Clarence William but did find the following which fits with 1871 census:-

Births Jun 1870
Powell Clement William Solihull 6d 491

Solihull is the registration district for Yardley, Warwickshire

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 11:14

This looks like Clement in 1881

Name: Clement W. Towell
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Yardley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 38 Dymoke Street

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Collier 53 born: Ludlow, Shropshire
Kerzia Collier 50 born: Foxlidiet, Worcestershire
Clement W. Towell 10

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 11:19

As Clement is noted here as nephew I am including marriage for Edward and Kerzia (she may be sister of Elizabeth):-

Marriages Jun 1876
COLLIER Edward King's N 6c 634
Harris Kezia King's N 6c 634

The district King's N is an alternative name for Kings Norton and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 11:27

This matches with the info above:-

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
Cooper Edward Birmingham 6d 310
Harris Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 310
Powell William * Birmingham 6d 310

This could be confirmed by buying the birth certificate of one of the children as mothers maiden name is given.

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 11:32

This is the only birth record I could find for Horace that fits with dates:-

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
Powell Horace William Warwick 6d 610

Can you confirm that this is correct date?

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 11:49

This looks like William in 1851:-

Name: William M Powell
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Visitor - (Mitre Hotel)
Gender: Male
Where born: Tolworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Hampton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Occupation: Commercial Traveller

Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Esher
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
William Berryman 19
Richard Bone 34
James Clements 21
Charles Dann 27
W H Dickson 21
Elizabeth Goodman 40
Elizabeth Goodman 7 Mo
William Goodman 58
Charlotte Hoare 18
Charles R Keymer 22
Isidore Lefuel 41
William M Powell 22
Eliza M Pratt 36
George Rogerson 19
W Scarbowngh 64
Caroline Smith 46
Georgiana Wells 21
James Davis Wells 25

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 11:57

1861:-

Name: William Maurice Powell
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Telworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Thames Ditton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Occupation:
Agent to a ? (looks like) Manches Manufacturer

Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Esher
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Bendle 17
Robert Bendle 22
Mary Gode 21
William Maurice Powell 32
James Wyeth 55
Mary Wyeth 52

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 12:16

Was having trouble finding the family after 1871, think this must be the reason why:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
William Maurice Powell abt 1829 1874 Jul-Aug-Sep Staines Middlesex

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 12:19

If this is correct then the birth record for Horace is either not the correct one, or, his father was not William.

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 12:27

1891:-
Name: Clement Powell
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Yardley, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Occupation: Metal Spinner

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Betsy Adderley 59
Harry Adderley 5
Louisa Adderley 24
William Adderley 67
Clement Powell 21

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 12:38

Finally found Horace in 1901:-

Name: Horace Powell
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Yardley
Ecclesiastical parish: Yardley Wood Christchurch
Town: Billesley Common
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:Coldbath Lane ?

Occupation:Carriage Lamp Maker

Registration district: Solihull
Sub registration district: Solihull
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 203
Household Members:
Name Age
Clement Powell 5
Elizabeth Powell 31 born: Birmingham, Warwickshire
Hathleen Powell 4
Hilda Powell 2
Horace Powell 32
Lizzie Powell 11 months
Phillip Powell 9 born: Birmingham

Marriage:-
Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
Powell Horace Aston 6d 554
Wilson Elizabeth Aston 6d 554

1891
Name: Horace Powell
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham; Ham

Civil Parish: Kings Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Balsall Heath
Town: Balsall Heath
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Powell 21
Horace Powell 22

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 22 Aug 2008 12:39

Oh dear. Many apologies - have been intensively researching a Clarence elsewhere and had a crossed wire in my brain. Original post now corrected. Thanks so much for all your input in spite of this!
Catherine - you have come up with some great stuff, thank you. I do know that there is a Kezia Harris in the family, she is sister (or half-sister) of Elizabeth (Horace's wife and my gg grandmother).
I don't think that the Horace born in Leamington is mine. I did find a birth of a Harris Horace Powell, which with his mother's maiden name being Harris made me wonder if it is him. Need the birth cert so will risk it, what's £7 after all!

Many thanks again, if you feel inclined to look more don't let me stop you!!

Yours gratefully,
Jan

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 12:43

Thanks to Horace found the family in 1881:-

Name: Horace H. Powell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmm

Civil Parish: Kings Norton
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address: Agar Place
Education:

Occupation: Carriage Lamp Maker

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Powell 38 - Windower
(born: Fox Lyddiate, Worcestershire,)
Horace H. Powell 12
M. Powell 15 born: Yatton, Somerset
(Occupation: Tin Plate Worker Apprentice)

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 12:48

Checked all the Powells born Warwickshire between 1868 and 1870 and this is the best bet for Horace:-

Births Jun 1868
POWELL Harris Horace Birmingham 6d 105

wish they wouldn't interchange their names like that!!!

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 12:54

Thanks to Horace can confirm Elizabeth's maiden name:-
1871
Name: Horace Powell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12b
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
Amy Hand 3
David Harris 72
Emily Harris 17
Emma Harris 52
Horace Powell 2

Name: Emma Harris
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: David
Gender: Female
Where born: Lichfield

Name: David Harris
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcestershire, England
Occupation: Carpenter

Name: Emily Harris
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire

Name: Amy Hand
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham,

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Aug 2008 13:09

Think this is Clement in 1901, date and place of birth are correct and his second name was William (interchanging names again) and he has named one of his children Augustus. Also occupation is correct:-

Name: William Powell
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Yardley, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Occupation: Metal Spinner

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Powell 28 born: Bristol, Gloucestershire
Augustus Powell 1 born: Edmonton, Middlesex
Lucy Powell 8 born: Birmingham, Warwickshire
Nora Powell 4 born: Edmonton, Middlesex
William Powell 30
William Powell 6 born: Edmonton, Middlesex