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Regina. It's been a while, but if you ARE still looking. I have traced a James Seddon: 1871 UK Census 3995.144.38. Chester Street, Hulme, Manchester.

His FATHER (George Seddon) is an engine fitter, whilst JAMES is a lithographic printer - which seems to dove-tail neatly with George Thompson's father's trade.

I don't know whether this is purely co-incidence or if this happens to be Celia/Cecilia's father as a young man - and/or she's confused her father's name/trade on her marriage certificate?

Hello Ann and others,
just to let everyone know that the two births for Cecilia Seddon ,

Births Dec 1872
Seddon Celia ..Prescott 8b 655

Births Mar 1876
Seddon Cecilia ..Prescott 8b 746

were not her. As both died within a year of being born I think. Plus the father was a John Seddon, a 'Miner' by trade, (the mother Emily Dennett)....whether they went on to have a Cecilia yet again am not sure.

The James seddon (father), who was a 'Machine Fitter' and deceased in 1892, is not popping up anywhere. Plenty of James Seddon's who seem to live past 1892. The one in 1881 census, in Derby St, Bedford, Leigh, lives till 1898.

Would anyone agree with me about this possibility ( is only a guess and nothing much to go on at that) -

When my grandfather George Thompson Jnr. (1898) married in 1922 in Holy Trinity Salford, his address was 19 Fleet St, Salford. His father as we know was George Thompson (1870) who married Cecilia Seddon (1871).

On the 1851 census, I see living at No. 9 Fleet Street, Salford a

John Seddon (b: 1803, Clifton, Lancs) - Beamer
Francis (wife) b: 1805, Paris, France
James son b: 1834 Clifton Mechanic
John " b: 1836 Clifton
Edwad b: 1839 Worsley
Ann b: 1842 Salford

Could this be my James Seddon the machine Fitter?
I cannot find the children, however, after this census, only the parents at a new address.

The other thing I wish to mention is on the marriage cert for Cecilia and George back in 1892. There were 2 witnesses. one a J Diver (or Driver, cant read it properly) and M. Booth - the link with the name Booth makes me wonder if Cecilia's relatives married a Seddon? I see this is in

1881 census - 13 Green Street, Aspull, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341899
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3759 / 99

Edward BOOTH Head 44 Ashton, Lancs Coalminer
Elizabeth BOOTH Wife 44 Haigh, Lancs
John SEDDON Stepson U 29 Haigh, Lancashire, General Labourer
Ann SEDDON Step Dtr U 16 Aspull, Lancs, Cotton Weaver
James BOOTH Cousin 9 Haydock, Lancashire, England
Sophia BOOTH Cousin 7 Haydock, Lancashire, England

Well has anyone any ideas as to where to go now? I am well and truly stuck ! This ancestor is proving hard work on my behalf and on members of genes, who up to now have proved very very patient with me. from Regina.

Hooker 1) 16c. Reaper 2) 19c. Textile mill worker operating machinery which laid out fabric in uniform folds to required length

by the way, as I have said on your other posting - a machine fitter is an engineer as in fitter and turner

can you delete your new posting on Cecelia please - not allowed by GR - I have been looking for her and now find you already have this posting

Cecilia has not been found in the 1901 census after marrying in 1892 a George Thompson. By this time they had children : Nellie 1894, Ada 1896 and George (my grandfather) 1898, all born in Manchester,. Emily 1901 may have been born in 1900 even, so perhaps if I find her, I can send off for birth cert. it will at least give me an address for her and her parents, but if she was born in 1900, its a wonder she cannot be found with them in the 1901 census isnt it.?
There is a George Thompson (1870) in an Army Hospital in Surrey as a 'Private, Patient, and a Cecilia Thompson (1872) in London working as a 'costume Sales Lady', coming from Cardiff! but nothing for Emily their daughter. Will keep searching folks and let you all know. bye for now. Regina

Hi Regina.

Have you looked into this family at all,just a wild card but Mary e 1873 may have changed her first name for some reason?And James has the correct occupation.

1881

SEDDON, James Head Married M 37 1844 Machine Fitter Iron
Leigh
Lancashire
SEDDON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1849
Leigh
Lancashire
SEDDON, Mary E Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Leigh
Lancashire
SEDDON, John Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Leigh
Lancashire
SEDDON, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 0 1881
Leigh
Lancashire
SEDDON, George Brother Single M 35 1846
Imbecile Leigh
Lancashire


Registration District:
Leigh


Civil Parish:
Bedford Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Derby St, Bedford County:
Lancashire


Then they all go missing on 1891.
I cant find them anyhow ...

Edit..yes I did,and its the same lot that Maryb looked into,so scrap that and back to the drawing board.

Believe it or not folks, I have doubts about the James from Bedford, I wish to forget about him and will change my tree accordingly. The reason is simply to do with Cecilia's fathers 'Occuaption' - it says 'Machine Fitter' and until I find a James with this occupation I cannot just guess at who it could be.

I was told through 'chinese whispers' that she may have "been adopted by a vicar" but she was known as 'Elizabeth Seddon' - the plot thickens and causes me sleepless nights. So I go to the marriage certificate in 1892 and it states she was 'Cecilia Seddon, 'Hooker and stitcher' aged 21 witnesses J Diver and M Booth. I looked under Elizabeth Seddon on the 1891 census just as an afterthought and found to my amazement an Elizabeth Seddon (born 1872) at 36 Phoenix Street, Hulme, manchester - occupation a 'Hooker' in a 'H.L' perhaps meaning on a hand loom??

Well if anyone has any thoughts about this perhaps they could add them.
I went back a few pages and came accross an 'Emma Booth' 4r yrs of age and a widow, living at 41 Phoenix street, Hulme. and a 'Miriam Booth' aged 19 working as a 'Hooker 'FL' - so wonder if this is the 'M Booth' on the marriage cert. But no seddons anywhere on that census area of Manchester for 1891. And was her father deceased I wonder? I am now totally confused and eager to find her dad, a machine fitter, because until I find her dad, I cant find her mum...but it makes me wonder if the James Seddon who died in 1878 and was on the same page as a 'Cecilia Booth born 1813' was something to do with all this. I may just order his death cert to see if this is her dad. Now what does everyone think of all this? Am I just trying to make things fit?......
Regina

Did Cecilia marry again I wonder

Cecilia/Cecelia Thompson 1898 sept qt Bolton gro ref 8c 613
spouse William Murphy

Lancashire bmds says married Bolton Register office or registrar attended

NO SORRY. I found them on the 1911 census and Cecilia was born 1878

Tried to find any of them in 1901 census,where are they!!!!!!!

Maryb

I have been looking at your tree and who you think the James seddon was.
I found him in 1871 with brother John and sister Mary 1848 she married James Batersby and it is their son who is with James and elizabeth Seddon in 1891.
1871 census 10,High st bedford area of Lancs Disrict 9 image 40.It also says James age 28 is a widow.He then marries Elizabeth O/N/D 1871.
I found a marriege for James Seddon to Emma Thompson in Salford 1869,but I can't find a James or Emma Seddon in Salford 1871.
So could this be the same James?

Oh thats a shame.Shes probably hiding with Charlie my red bearded Scots gt grandfather

Hello to all. I promised to let you know about the births of Cecilia Seddon as mentioned on Ancestry.co.uk ie. the ones in Prescott. Both sadly are not her, as they turn out to be that of a Celia or Cecilia, whose father was John (a coal miner) and mother Emma Dennett....this means there is no James Seddon 'Machine Fitter' as her father.

I do not know where to look now. I have looked on Ancestry and Genes and cannot find a Cecilia Seddon at all. Am beginning to think the rumours of her having "been adopted by a vicar" may be true after all. There is a vicar James Seddon (b: 1835) in Bilston, Ettingstall in the 1881 census, but no mention of a Cecilia. Any suggestions?
from Regina

Hope you have success. Let us know the outcome

Hello Quinsgran and
Sylvia In Canada

Not been back on genes for a week - allowed someone to stop over and use the computer the last few days ...just thought would see if any e-mails and behold at last some replies to 'Untraceable Cecilia' - Lovely to hear from you!

No Quinsgran, did not consider the two people's suggestions about Celia and the Prescott birth...why? because got caught up in the groom George (1872) my great grandfather instead and was thrilled to find his family and siblings...so poor Cecilia stayed on the shelf, and that was also because felt her to be 'adopted' and so knew she wouldnt have been born with this name - now putting 'family whispers' to one side and will apply for the certificate and see what I get back for this. Thanks for reminding me. Will let you know the outcome! Regina

Did you not consider the birth Celia Seddon 1872 dec qt Prescott 8b 655.

Found in Nov 2008 for you by 2 members

Hi Regina

great to get the update!!


Thank you so much




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sylvia

Regina 5 July 2009

Untraceable Cecilia (1872) has finally been traced as far as 1911!

She is there with her husband George Thompson (1870) and their children at 16 Longworth Street, Deansgate, Manchester in the census although her name has been spelt 'Celia' ?

All of you who helped earlier last year - thank you!

Now I know I may have updated this thread incorrectly and am sorry if I have, but pressed 'add' at bottom of final thread and nothing happened. So pressed 'Edit' and am able to type something.

Dont see her anywhere in 1901 nor her husband.?

The first child was Nellie Thompson born in 1894 then
Ada 1896, George (1898), Emily 1901, Eadie (1903) John (1903), James (1907) and Robert (1909) all were born in Manchester.

Cannot find Cecilia's birth cert but have obtained marriage cert. for her and husband George Thompson. They married 1892 and Cecilia's father was a 'Machine Fitter' Deceased at the time of marriage. Two witnesses were J Driver and M Booth.

In 1878 there is a James Seddon (1834) deceased on ancestry.co.uk on the bmd page. Above is a Cecilia Booth (1809) - could Cecilia have been the daughter of this Cecilia Booth? I looks so coincidental. Anyone out there connected at all to these two names?

Regina

Hi EvieBeavie!

Just shutting down my computer and thought would at least give you the names of their children all of whom I cannot find on the census...well didn't want to spoil your fun and thought would let you know how crazy I have become just trying to find my grandfather George and Cecilia's son and his siblings? they had :-

Ada, and Eadie (Edith?) and Emily and

George (my grandfather) born 13.12.1898 think Manchester or Salford 19 Fleet Street - still living there when he married in 1922 my grandmother and when his father was then a Warehousman

Nellie Thompson I think 1895 as her marriage age suggests this when she married in 1918, by which time her father was a 'Private' Soldier.

Cant find them on census because dont know their birth place but do know they lived in Salford during the late 1890's and the rest of their lives I guess.

Didnt want to confuse everybody with all the siblings because until I find George (1870) on the 1901 census, wont find them and determine their ages from that census you see?

Regina

So ... did Cecilia and George have children? By 1901?

C'mon, don't spoil our fun!

My goodness folks only went to make a brew and let off steam on the general chat page about adverts on Ancestry, and all these replies.

Will have to sit and work out what you have all written to me and see if any of the information links my Cecilia. This poor soul has had a bad time of it where searching for her is concerned.

She was found a year ago by me and I never acted upon the name, as had been told her name to be Elizabeth. I ignored my instincts but kept her in a book, written down. Now I must unearth her and set to right the mistreatment I have given her and her name.

I will thank all of you and let you know how I get on.
Its been a long time since I wrote on the 'help pages' because dont want to 'use' people whe I could try to do it myself - but oh! folks, when I do,. its great to recieve the 'feedback' and the friendliness from everyone. Much appreciated. Regina