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9 Dec 2007 20:03 |
I have a William Shuker who married Elizabeth Wedge in 1903 he also signed my gr uncle's marriage certificate in 1903 when he married Ellen Wedge anyone got info that might help as tried to look on Ancestry for 1881 cencus to see if there was any round about the area but no names came up they married in Shropshire
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Heather
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9 Dec 2007 20:26 |
So who was Ellen Wedge to William Shuker? His sister in law?
I dont really understand as there are a number of chaps with that name in Shropshire? If he were a witness at this wedding in 1903 it may well be he was not on the 1881 census - he may have been too young then? Though I can see some born before 1881 in shrops. Who was the other witness and where exactly did they marry?
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9 Dec 2007 22:10 |
He was Ellen's sister in law he married her sister Elizabeth July August Sept quarter and in 1903 Ellen married Oct 1903 to Joseph Cooper Alice Wedge was the other witness
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9 Dec 2007 22:15 |
Where did they marry?
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9 Dec 2007 22:16 |
Is this it - Wellington, Shropshire?
Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHUKER William Wellington, Sh 6a 1644
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9 Dec 2007 22:20 |
Yes that is it I was hoping some one would recognise these names and may be related
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9 Dec 2007 22:22 |
They seem a strange family on the 1901 there is an Elizabeth Price who someone has given a correction to as Elizabeth Wedge, living in a pub in Wellington, supposedly the daughter of the landlord but possibly his stepdaughter and really a Wedge???
Anyway, here is the Shuker/Wedge connection by the looks of it: Alice is working as a servant and in the same household is a Walter Shuker and his wife farmers, her her employers - at a wild guess, possiblyWilliams parents??
1901 : Alice Wedge Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Rodington, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Sherriff Hales Ecclesiastical parish: Sherriff Hales Town: Sherriff Hales County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Shifnal Sub-registration district: Shifnal ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 105 Household Members: Name Age Alice Berch 34 David Calder 17 Annie Edge 15 John Evans 56 Annie Shuker 40 Walter J Shuker 41 Alice Wedge 14 View Original Record
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Val
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9 Dec 2007 22:24 |
Thank you for the info
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9 Dec 2007 22:26 |
Hmm,. well may be not parents but obviously related as no William here with them in 1891:
ame: Walter John Shuker Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Eaton Under Haywood, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Rodington Ecclesiastical parish: Rodington County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Wellington Sub-registration district: Ercall Magna ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edith Clay 23 John Evans 43 Alice Wilding Hide 13 Mary E Hide 16 Thomas Maddox 22 Alice Shuker 11 Annie Shuker 30 Elizabeth Shuker 48 John Shuker 8 Robert Shuker 12 Walter John Shuker 31 John Turner 42 Lizzie Wedge 13 George Wellings 11 Margaret Wilding 28
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9 Dec 2007 22:28 |
Ah, thats more like it - looks like a William Shuker is likely the brother of Walter, 10 years younger than him: In 1881 just over the border in Wales:?
Name: Walter J. Shuker Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Anne Gender: Male Where born: Eaton Under Heywood, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Churchstoke County/Island: Montgomeryshire Country: Wales Street address: Pentre Farm Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: Farmers Son Registration district: Forden Sub-registration district: Montgomery ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jane Jones 21 Richard Lewis 37 Edward Morris 17 Martha Owen 25 Alice F. Shuker 14 Anne Shuker 54 John Shuker 46 Walter J. Shuker 21 >>>>>>>>>William E. Shuker 11 Pryce Williams 17 Name: William E. Shuker Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Anne Gender: Male Where born: Chirbury, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Churchstoke County/Island: Montgomeryshire Country: Wales Street address: Pentre Farm Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: Farmers Son Registration district: Forden Sub-registration district: Montgomery ED, institution, or vessel: 10
PROBLEM IS - we have this chap too
Name: William Shuker Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's Name: Samuel Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Shifnal, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Shifnal County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address: High St Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Shifnal Sub-registration district: Shifnal ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jane Shuker 56 Richd. Shuker 15 Samuel Shuker 59 William Shuker 11
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Val
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9 Dec 2007 22:31 |
Thank you so much for the info
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Heather
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9 Dec 2007 22:34 |
Ah but the Shifnal William Shuker is a school master already married to an Elizabeth in 1901!
Name: William Shuker Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Shifnal, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: St Chad Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: St Chad ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 154 Household Members: Name Age Allan A Shuker 5 Elizabeth Shuker 38 William Shuker 31 So it looks like they are very very likely related but that your guy is the bro of the Walter Shuker, farmer employing the younger sister
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9 Dec 2007 22:38 |
Gawd, dont thank me - but do you see why I was confused you couldnt find a William Shuker COS, here is another possible candidate - LOL!!
1901 - this one is a bricklayer
Name: William Shuker Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Market Drayton, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 75 Household Members: Name Age Alice Franks 20 Edward Franks 18 Jane Franks 57 Martha Shuker 25 William Shuker 28
SO, far from being no possible William Shukers you have now at least 3 of them. You need to get the marriage certificate to get his occupation - this may well be the chap as I have now found Walters bro married in 1901 to a Fanny!! Name: William E Shuker Age in 1901: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Fanny Gender: Male Where born: Chirbury, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Church Stoke Ecclesiastical parish: Church Stoke County/Island: Montgomeryshire Country: Wales Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration district: Forden Sub-registration district: Montgomery ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Alice Bowen 16 Margaret Hughes 16 Ada M James 12 William James 37 John Morris 20 Fanny Shuker 30 Gladys M Shuker 4 Hilda M Shuker 2 Marion M Shuker 5 Walter J Shuker 1 William E Shuker 31
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9 Dec 2007 22:38 |
Thank you for all the info I just wondered though if his wife died before he 1903 couldn't he marry again but the one that has Alice Wedge working for them there William could have met her he doesn't need to use middle name for marriage certificate when he is only a witness
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9 Dec 2007 22:40 |
So to sum up, there are quite a number of them in Shropshire who could easily be the bloke you are searching for! If you really want to know which one he is then you should buy that marriage cert to Elizabeth to check for his occupation and for his fathers name and occupation first. Far from being rare, there are dozens of them in the area!!
Well yes, I mean my guess would be that he must somehow be related to Walter in order for Alices sister to have met him so my money would have been on that guy but now Ive seen there are obviously a number of possibles Id want to verify which one with the certificate.
If you get the cert let us know the details of his occupation and fathers name and we can then find the right one for certain.
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Val
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9 Dec 2007 22:44 |
Hodnet Market Drayton was where my uncle Joseph came from and he married Ellen so maybe he introduced them Thank you for all this info I think I may need certificate to check this one out
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Heather
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9 Dec 2007 22:45 |
No deaths showing up for Fanny Shuker 1901-1903 on freebmd
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Val
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9 Dec 2007 22:46 |
I will let you know what I find and thanks again
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9 Dec 2007 22:51 |
They are obviously all intermingled, same area, same name, Alice Wedge working for them - LOL, youd think it would be easy with a name like that wouldnt you.
Yes, best bet is the marriage cert and as you say, may well be the bricklayer chap. But if I were you Id have to trace all this Shuker lot just to see how they are all connected.
Good luck.
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Val
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9 Dec 2007 23:01 |
Cheers Heather
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