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Thomas Orton c1856 Leicestershire. can anyone please find Thomas in the 1861 /1871 census.

I know that he has at least 1 sister - Elizabeth Ann born c1863

Two possibles for 1861.

Name: Thomas Orton
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester St Mary
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Orton 34
Sarah Ann Orton 9
Thomas Orton 4
Ann Steel 60
Elizabeth Steel 22
Mary Steel 25
Sarah Steel 31

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2294; Folio: 91; Page: 8

Name: Thomas Orton
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheepy Parva, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Sheepy Parva
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Atherstone
Sub-registration district: Atherstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Orton 26
Mary A Orton 2
Thomas Orton 27
Thomas Orton 4

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2192; Folio: 71; Page: 13

I believe it is the 1st one as some of the other names are featured in my findings so far.
Does the census tell you the relationships of everyone listed?
Is it pos to find him in 1871 please?

Same Thomas in 1871, no Elizabeth though.
Name: Thomas Orton
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah A Orton 19
Thomas Orton 15
Elizth Partridge 23
Ann Steele 70
Bason Steele 3
Jane Steele 5
Mary Steele 35
Sarah Steele 41

And second one, again no Elizabeth

Name: Thomas Orton
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheepy, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Bentley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Atherstone
Sub-registration district: Atherstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Orton 2 months
Charles Orton 16
Emily Orton 2
Mary Orton 36
Mary Ann Orton 11
Sarah Orton 9
Thomas Orton 37
Thomas Orton 14

Married in 1881?

Name: Thomas Orton
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Lodger (Head) (Lodger)
Spouse's Name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester St Margaret
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 12 Grove St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Stocking Maker Woollen

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 88
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Orton 22
James Orton 3
Thomas Orton 24
Thomas Ed. Orton
Harriet Whitwell 65
Thomas Whitwell 59

My guess is he married Harriet Whitwell?

Maybe not
Name: Thomas Orton
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Leicester (1837-1974)
County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 387

Harriet Brewin on same page.

On the 1881, the Brewins live next door

Presume ann Steel is head of the household & therefore Thomas is her Grandson??

If I am correct, Anne Steel was married to
? Orton around c.1855

Is it pos to find their marriage to confirm this?

Gillian if you look on your Emma Sherwin thread, if you send me your e-maill address by pm will send the images.

We are looking for Thomas G Orton.

In 1891 Census - St. Margaret, Leicester
He is living with his sister Elizabeth

Elizabeth A. Kilby Head Wid. 32 Milliner, born Seagrave.
Hetty K. Kilby Dau 11 b. Leicester
Vincent W. Kilby Son 8 b. Leicester
Herbert F. Kilby Son 4 b. Leicester
Thomas G. Orton Brother 35 Shoe Laster, born Seagrave + 4 Boarders

1871?

Name: Elizabeth Ann Orton
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Seagrave, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Seagrave
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
Sub-registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Orton Orton 8
Elizabeth Ann Orton 12
Ellen Kate Orton 15
Fredrick Orton 6
Herbert Orton 2
John Orton 39
John Henry Orton 10
Mary Ann Orton 44
Mary Jane Orton 17
Thomas Orton 4

Thomas appears to be too young if that is them.
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3262; Folio: 7; Page: 7

I think you need to get some certificates to confirm parents names etc, this is a bit of a wild goose chase.

Elizabeth in 1881.

Name: Elizabeth A. Kilby
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John I.
Gender: Female
Where born: Seagrave, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester St Margaret
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 19 Shenton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur C. Kilby
Elizabeth A. Kilby 23
Hetty K. Kilby 1
John I. Kilby 23

Hi Keith
I am really confused now. I am trying to trace the Kilby family history.

So far, in tracing John Kilby, I have:

1881 England Census
about John I. Kilby
Name: John I. Kilby (IMAGE READS JOHN T)
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester St Margaret
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 19 Shenton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Proffessor Of Music

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur C. Kilby ---------- (where is this child ten years later?! )
Elizabeth A. Kilby 23
Hetty K. Kilby 1
John I. Kilby 23

In this year, the Agar family (who Emma, Johns daughter was staying with in 1891) are living two doors up from the Kilby's house, so that confirms that...

1891 census: Elizabeth Kilby
Street address: 25 st. George Street
Occupation:Milliner
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Employment status: neither employer nor employed
Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 36

Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Herns 20
James Herns 22
Elizabeth A Hilby 32
Hellez K Hilby 11 (image reads Hettie R)
Herbert F Hilby 4
Vincent W Hilby 8
Thomas S Orton 35
Emma Sherwin 25
Florence Sherwin 16

( I assumed Thomas was Elizabeths brother)

ref: 1901 census - Elizabeth aged 38 & 5 children
4 lodgers/relatives?
Where born: Lester, Seagrave

Civil Parish: Leicester Formerly St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: Leicester St Saviour
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 7 Real street
Occupation: none
Condition as to marriage: Widow

Elizabeth A Kilby 38
Emma G Kilby 16
Herbert F Kilby 14
Hettie R Kilby 21
Vincent W Kilby 18
Emma Sherwin 37
Ethel L Steele 1
George E Steele 36
Harold Steele 8


I also have:
Elizabeth Ann Orton - Ormskirk - married John in Ormskirk 80 875 8b

Name: Elizabeth Ann Orton --
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ormskirk
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 875

Death John Thomas Kilby Dec 1888 Aged 30 Leics 7a 99.and here is John's death entry:
Name: John Thomas Kilby
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 30
District: Leicester (1837-1974)
County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 99

Does it make any sense to you??

Hi Gillian, getting the better half on this as well, I wonder why they married in Ormskirk when they were were both born Leicestershire.

Gillian, there are so many possible Eliza/Elizabeths and Thomas from Seagrave or Leicestershire, you really need the certs to confirm parents etc.
Who was Elizabeths father on her marriage cert?

Hi Keith

I too was puzzled as to why they married in Ormskirk- but it was the only Elizabeth Ann Orton / John Kilby marriage that I could come up with.

Keith - Do we know who the 'Steel' family are??

1861.
Name: Thomas Orton
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Ann
Leicestershire

Ann Orton 34
Sarah Ann Orton 9
Thomas Orton 4
Ann Steel 60
Elizabeth Steel 22
Mary Steel 25
Sarah Steel 31

Gill

Sorry Gillian, thought I had sent you the images, anyway, Ann Steel is head of the household,a widow born Leicester, Elizabeth, Mary and Sarah are her daughters, as is Ann Orton. All the daughters are born Barkby. Ann is the only married daughter.

So unless Ann Steel had re-married or Ann married and then re-married, it looks to me as if the marriage you had found in Ormskirk is incorrect.

Found this, I wonder?

Name: Ann Steel
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Leicester (1837-1974)
County: Leicestershire
Volume: 15
Page: 163
James Orton on page.

Oh dear this looks like her in 1851:-

Name: Ann Orton
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Female
Where born: Barkby, Leicestershire, England
Marital condition: Married.
Civil Parish: Leicester All Saints
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b