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I am trying to find a marriage between a
Henry Hughes born 1865 shropshire
and a
Louisa Gardiner born 1829 oxford
I know they lived in the same household in 1861 in marylebone london she was a widow with her own children and he was living there with his mother.
in 1881 the census shows them as married but when?
they had a son in 1865 called arthur.so I assume they ware married around that time.

I have spent days looking but I may need someone who knows what they are doing
please help
mike

Something not quite right here. You say Henry was born 1865 and Louisa 1829? Later you say they had a son in 1865.

1881 ?????

Name: Louisa Hughes
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 50 Boston Place
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Needlewoman

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 13b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Hughes 15
Edward Hughes 17
Louisa Hughes 52
Walter Hughes 24


1871 poss
Name: Louisa Hughes
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Whichwood, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 179
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred G Hughes 3
Arthur H Hughes 6
Edward G Hughes 8
Henry Hughes 42 Wellington, Shropshire
Louisa Hughes 43
Walter F Hughes 14

Isn't this Louisa widowed in 1881? You said the census showed tham as married.
1881 census
50 Boston Pl., Marylebone
Louisa Hughes, head, widow, 52, needlewoman, born Oxfordshire
Walter, son, 24, carman
Arthur, son, 15, errand boy
Edward, son, 17, errand boy
Sons born London.

1861 could be her

Name: Louisa Gardiner
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Chabbery, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 520
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Louisa Gardiner 11
Frederick John Gardiner 9
Louisa Gardiner 33
Walter Francis Gardiner 4

Hi Claire,

That is the only marriage in the right area.

Perhaps they never married.


Maureen

Births Sep 1849 (>99%)
LUCAS Eliza Louisa Marylebone 1 28


Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%)
Gardiner Eliza Louisa Pancras 1b 172

Curiouser & curiouser!
Trying to find Eliza Louisa on the 51 census, whether Lucas or Gardiner. No luck!

Hi Margaret,

No luck with 1851 as well

Maureen

1891 just posting for info

Name: Louisa Hughes
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Charlbury, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur H Hughes 26
Louisa Hughes 62


In 1841 there is A Louisa Gardner in Oxfordshire

1851 best I can offer
Name: Louisa Gardner
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 200
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Gardner 22
Louisa Garrange 22

Listed as unmarried and a stay maker

sorry put the wrong date down for henry hughes should have bee 1828/9
50 boston place was there address
my confusion sorry

also her childrens names are registered under the name lucas

So you knew about the Lucas name already?

I had qan incling but i couldnt find any marriage on lucas or gardiner toe only thins i could find was the 1881/1861 census unerd gardiner then married to hughes but couldnt find the marriage
mike

Was Gardiner her maiden name?

If so, she would have re-married using her married name.....was that Lucas?

Reg

deletions are mine

Reg, I don't think we've been able to determine what her maiden name was. On the 61 census she's the widow Gardiner and her children were Gardiner but those same childrens' births were registered Lucas. The following year she married as Lucas. Her daughter Eliza Louisa's birth was registerd as Lucas but Gardiner at her marriage.

I thought the poster would know the maiden name...............

Mike most of this was a complete waste of our time. It was work already done for you by some kind people on TTF. Had you passed this info on, you would have saved us all a load of effort .

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1021299

At the end of the day the answer is clear, you need to invest in some certs if you are ever to get to the bottom of this

!!!!!!!!!!!