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Hello ladies,
back after a busy and exciting week.
We have now well and truly pegged Eliza, we have found her parents, her brother and sisters.
Her second marriage and all of her other children, at the last count she had William and Thomas then 7 more.
I have been sent the details from her wedding cert, it seems as if I had Thomas birth date wrong it is 1870, I said that I thought he was to old at 33.
I was looking at their photos again last night at mothers, and again talking to Eliza asking for her help and the strangest thing happened.
My mother looks after an old church, a man had come to look at it to see what needed doing to it to restore it. He later sent mum a postcard to thank her, on the front was a picture of a church, it was the one from Elizas village, he wasn't to know and if I had not just been putting her families place of birth on the tree then I would not have known where it was, so spooky.
Today I visited her local church, not the one on the postcard, I will go there next time if it ever stops raining, I got soaked looking round Welsh Newton church today.
I did find the grave of her son Thomas, and he was born on 10 march 1900, as we had thought after his father had died.
I also saw some of the graves of the children from her second marriage, but I couldn't find hers, perhaps it is at the other church or to worn to read.
So as I said she is well and truly pegged but naughty Thomas is still hiding.
We know from his wedding cert that he was born in 1870, he married on 3 July 1897, in Cardiff . He said he was a labourer and his father Charles was a collier, but once again we hit a brick wall with him and cannot find anything else.
Hope that you like the update, pay day will soon be here, Elaine

Hi Elaine hope you had a good w/e and above details help with that branch of your tree!

Name: Penina Lancaster
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 78
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 36

Elaine i see you have added George A as a brother be careful as Kathleen said a possible but looking at the page they are in surname order and George was born in Porton on water(? Bourton on the Water)

might like to keep this to one side until you get the cert.
1881 censusName: Thos. Webb
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm.
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Walford, Hereford, England

Civil Parish: Walford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England

Street address: Sunny Bank


Household Members: Name Age
Annie Webb 15
Emma Webb 12
George Webb 18
Joseph Webb 8
Mary Webb 49
Thos. Webb 8
Wm. Webb 48

1851 census
they didn't stay in Earlstoke then
Name: Penina Lancaster
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Erle Stoke, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Kings Norton
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England



Name: John Lancaster
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Penina
Gender: Male
Where born: Erle Stoke, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Kings Norton
County/Island: Worcestershire


Name: William Lancaster
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Penina
Gender: Male
Where born: Erle Stoke, Wiltshire, England

Name: Richard Lancaster
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Penina
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Kings Norton
County/Island: Worcestershire

Not quite gone yet as I couldn't resist another peek or is if fix before I went.
We have a copy of some church records from Earl Stoke church, dated 1822.
It mentions the baptism of Jonathan Lancaster on
17 nov 1822.
He was the son of John and Peninah--thats an unusual name.
John was born 1798
His father was called John, born 1755 and
his wife was Mary
That is as far back as we have gone so far as we have been busy searching for my favourite man.
If we ever make it to your part of the world, to vist Earl Stoke, you must let us take you out for a coffee or something.
Speak to you soon, Elaine

Elaine well by the time you get back from your w/e away i will have driven through Earlstoke on my way to Devizes.
Its about 10mls from Warminster in the other direction from Kathleens "Stockton" .

Well Kathleen don't know what family surname you had in Warminster but my children had a "Mr Bell" teaching them in primary school.
We don't come from this area,we moved here with my husbands job in 1987 so settled to Wiltshire life now.

Elaine did you know Dublin1911 census is online and FREE to search?http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
Once you find a name you can open household return form /enumerators pages.
You can even find out how many rooms in a house.
If you didn't find your family ,just to choose a name to look at and open the pages gives some insight as to living conditions etc.
Hope our 1911 is as useful when we get it!!

Going away for the weekend ladies.
I think that Dave is checking me out through my tree before we get married.
He has over 100 on his tree and i have now reached 200, so when they merge we will need a big piece of paper to print it all off.
I know that kath said that she wasn't looking so hard for her family now but how many are on your trees ladies.
Do you have any Lancasters from Wiltshire, that would be a coincidence.
Talk to you again when I get back.
Have a good weekend and takle care.

We all have connections to Wiltshire, another coincidence

Put Egypt on hold for now,
how are you with southern Ireland
Harriet Tracey born 1856,
ran away from her father
Francis Tracey born 1822
and his wife Mary.
They were running a whiskey distillery just outside Dublin.
She ran away to marry
Frederick John Lancaster born 1855.
Parents Jonathan and Ann Lancaster both born 1822.
Him from Earl Stoke in Wiltshire and
her from Warwickshire,
Harriet and Frederick married on 23/4/1875
in st Peter and Pauls church Aston Birmingham.
Because she ran off with him and he was a protestent she was cut off without a penny.
We know a lot about the Lancasters, and their large family.
We know that Harriet had brothers and sisters
Mary 1847
George 1849
Ellen 1853 and
Thomas 1857
We think that her parents may have married between 1838 and 1843.
Her father became a saddle tree maker.
We do not know anything else about them and we have been told that info from Ireland is hard to find.
Just another story from my past.
I have a few more for you yet, Elaine

I believe in coincidences too Elaine. It's surprising how many relatives on my tree share the same birth date/marriage date even though a hundred or more years between. And names from generations ago that we didn't know anything about until recently crop up in the present day generation all the time. There must be something in it.

Kath. x

Ladies, please feel free to hijack it as much as you like, you have both deserved it.
I have been contacted again by the chap that is wondering if our Thomas are the same.
He has a friend that is a proffessional researcher and he has found the date and church where Thomas and Eliza were married in Cardiff.
Talk about coincidences.
I do think that it is Eliza trying to send a message after I gave her a talking to but the date is the date of my second sons birthday
Eldest son Thomas,
second son same date, different year of course.
I'm a great believer in coincidences.
Elaine

The family ended up in Warminster. The registrar at Warminster Register Office was really helpful when I first started out looking for family members. He would check parents names to make sure they were the correct names before sending out certificates (which some registrar's won't do without you paying for the certificate first).

Kath. x p.s. Sorry Elaine, for hijacking your thread a little bit.

I live in Warminster about 9miles from there ,sometimes take the back road to Salisbury through the villages

You are lucky Janice - Wiltshire is a beautiful place. My grandfather came from Stockton in the Wylie Valley. Strangely we live in the Borough of Stockton in Teesside.

Kath. x

Well Kath its a small world i live in Wiltshire!
Elaine i wonder if his Thomas (Cheltenham )is the one i found.
Well i have had fun with my dads family .Grandparents didn't marry and we had a mix of surnames ,some with hers some his and some both!

I don't really know anything about my maiden name KILL. I only know that our family live in the north east of England and have always thought we were the only Kill's around as we had never heard of another family with the name. It was only once I started researching and trying to find my grandfather that we found out his family came from Wiltshire and that there are loads of Kill's in Wiltshire and Hampshire. Apparently there are even more in America. We really couldn't believe it as we always thought we were unique, lol. On checking census records I found my grandfather was one of 12 children, but because he left his family when my father was young, we never knew anything about his family in the south.

Hope you have a good time visiting the area your ancestors come from. I spent a lovely few days in Wiltshire about 5 years ago visiting the place my grandfather was born - a beautiful little one lane village with thatched houses and the inn that was there at the time he was born in 1881. It was so special, especially as at that time we hadn't found out what had happened to him.

Kath. x