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Thanks for that lindsey, it sure is getting complex now, i am not sure who james is the son of, i have not been able to find many of my gt gt gt granfathers siblings on records to see what happened to them, i only have vague info on the family and rough information

Just noticed, Betsy Harbourne is one of George Chamber's neices on 1861 census. Didn't Mike find a marriage for a Mary Ann HARBOURNE

Posible death for alice.....

Deaths Jun 1864

Sargent Alice Wolverhampton 6b 264

Thats from the 1881 on Family search sorry

This looks like the George Chambers who is lodging with them on 1871 census Mary Ann Sargent is down as neice. Also there is a James Sargent, nephew also married ??to Mary Ann. Seems a bit of a coincidence, the plot thickens
1861 census
CHAMBERS, George Head Married M 50 Furniture Broker
Birmingham
Warwickshire
CHAMBERS, Mary Wife Married F 54
Birmingham
Warwickshire
SARGENT, Mary Ann Niece Married F 19
Birmingham
Warwickshire
SARGENT, James Nephew Married M 20 Wood Turner
Birmingham
Warwickshire
HARBOURNE, Betsey Niece F 11
Birmingham
Warwickshire

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2147 Folio:
4 Page:
1

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
4 St Peter EnumerationDistrict:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bishop Ryders

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
2, New Thomas Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

Thanks Wayne/tracey but i am not sure about this droitwich birth/marriage... i could be wrong but the dates dont fit with other info i have , altho there is a big gap between isaac and harriets birth, but i cant find half the census records to confirm this information for sure, i only have family info to go on

faye

Isaac SARGANT Head M Male 39 Birmingham, Warwick, England Wood Turner
Mary Ann SARGANT Wife M Female 38 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Isaac SARGANT Son Male 13 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Edward SARGANT Son Male 11 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Harriet SARGANT Daughter U Female 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Barmaid
Amy SARGANT Daughter Female 8 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
C.Isabella SARGANT Daughter Female 6 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
E.Louisa SARGANT Daughter Female 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Trouble is they couldnt read or write so they were dependant on other people spelling.

We need to find Mary Ann Smith on the census and see if her data matches that of the Mary Ann with Isaac.

The Alice i found is an additional child..... not a Harriet alternative. The chances are Alice has died if she is not on the 1871 census.

Hi lindsey, thanks for that, she was definately a harriet tho.. i am having problems finding the family on census's as the spelling of the name varies so much from sargent to sergent/sergeant/sarjant and all sorts, so its very time consuming obviously trying to find all these records under the various spellings but i did find harriet, isaac, edward, amy, clara herbert on a census with their parents isaac and mary, anything else is a mystery!

Another child?

ALICE SERGEANT

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 15 FEB 1864 St Andrew, Droitwich, Worcester, England

Parents:
Father: ISAAC SERGEANT Family
Mother: MARY ANNE

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Name: Harriet Sargant
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 85 Gem Street
Education:

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Occupation: Barmaid

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
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Household Members: Name Age
William Bagnall 22
John Isaac Cobb 23
Amy Sargant 8
C.Isabella Sargant 6
Edward Sargant 11
E.Louisa Sargant 4
Harriet Sargant 19
Isaac Sargant 39
Isaac Sargant 13
Mary Ann Sargant 38


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I would say Lindsey has found your marriage...

1871 England Census

Name: Isaac Sargant
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishop Ryder
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

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Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Peter

George Chamber 61
Edwd Sargant 1
Harriet Sargant 9
Isaac Sargant 28
Isaac Sargant 2
Mary Ann Sargant 27



Harriets parents are Isaac and Mary Ann....

Name: Harriet Sargant
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Bham, Warwickshire, England

are they on any of the census?

There is a Mary Harriet Sargant born Birmingham Jul-Aug-Sep 1861 6d 104

Thanks Mike it could well be that one, it seems to fit more with the date.. I am having so many problems finding them as the name as you say is spelt so many different ways in different documents/census's


W/T no havent found her actual birth yet, am looking for it now to see if maybe she was born else where, but my family do mainly originate in birmingham,

Faye

Could it be this one, i've got Sarjants an my tree and at's spelt so many different ways.
Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%)
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Gorton Eliza Catherine Kings N. 6c 436
Harborne Mary Ann Kings N 6c 436
Mason Samuel Kings N 6c 436
SARGANT Isaac Kings N 6c 436

Have you found the registration of Harriet?

I'm not sure about that one W/T.. the area doesn't fit but then you never know lol

wayne/tracey ..Harriet was their first born in 1861/2

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ISAAC SERGENT Pedigree
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY ANN SMITH Family
Marriage: 23 NOV 1862 Saint Andrew, Droitwich, Worcester, England


This on igi not sure ?