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1851 Census

Name: Ellen Ellison
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 123
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Ellison 20 General Servant
Lucy Hamer 14 Nurse
Elizabeth Alice Pickovance 8
Ellin Pickovance 29
Ellin Pickovance 4
Henry Pickovance 1
Joseph Pickovance 40 Flour Dealer & Baker
Joseph Pickovance 6

Address:- 61 Kirkdale Rd, Kirkdale


sylvia

Thanks Kathryn

She very well could be. I don't have Ancestry.

If it's possible could you let me know the other names where she is working and/or perhaps even
track her on the 1841 and 1861. I do have Ellen, now Jones, on 1871 even though it is full of errors.

Sorry for delay in replying, we have a family member in hosp. who is doing well but I am away from the keyboard.

Judy

From the info in your other thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=665575

could this be your Ellen in 1851?

Name: Ellen Ellison
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

A vague/inaccurate place of birth for a servant wouldn't be unusual.

Judy -- just a bit of info that could help, depending on what you've done so far.

I gather that Ellison was likely Ellen's birth surname, and the other surname (I don't think you've said what it was) could be a previous married name.

At FreeBMD you can do a search for

marriages
no surname
no given name
spouse's surname Ellison
spouse's given name Ellen
years in range
in Lancashire?

and what you will get is a list of all the names that appear on pages with an Ellen Ellison in Lancashire during the years in question. (If you do the search at peak hours, you might not be able to get results, or it might take a while -- you can always break it down into shorter time periods.)

Then you can just do a "find" down the list to see whether the other surname in question appears on it; if so, this could be her previous marriage.

That only helps if the other surname was from a previous marriage, of course; it could also be an "aka", e.g. from a stepfather, as someone here mentioned.

You can also do the search for

no surname
given name Ellen
spouse's surname Jones
spouse's given name John

and again, skim down the list to see whether there is an Ellen with a surname that interests you who appears on a page with a John Jones.

These backwards searches are just a bit quicker than searching for the person him/herself and having to click on each page number to see who else was there.

Oh. I see she was from Lancashire and he was from Wales, but you don't know where they married. Hmm. Good luck? ;)

Thank you all very much!

Her surname is the same as the Father's, then under that formerly, and under that the other surname.

Reg will recognize these names

Minnie they are Ellen Ellison and John Jones. Expect that if they married it would have been between 1860 and 1870ish. Don't know which county.

A real headache, I've not asked anyone to search at present as many have already kindly done so. Short of flying from Canada to look at the records myself, I think I'll have to wait until the missing Lancashire parish registers are transcribed and published even to find her birth, which is also missing.

The marriage would be key though, because John Jones from North Wales isn't going to get me what I need!

Clutching at straws!

Judy

I think formerly would also be used if she changed her name for any reason, not just a previous marriage, and would include, e.g., her taking her stepfathers last name.

Is the father named on the birth cert? Is the mother's surname the same as the father's, with the word 'formerly' against a different surname?

'Formerly' means 'previously' .....and is the maiden name; if she had been married twice, and mentioned the fact at the time, the first married name would be included also.

Reg

That is how it is written,on UK certificates,

Surname ==Smith..........formally Brown,,,,

Smith is the current surname and Brown was the maiden name of the mother,,,

Formally doesnt indicate a previous marriage...

The marriage could have taken place at a later date following more children,or another child,

If a woman is on her sercond marriage, you may find that the birth certificate for a child of that second marriage refers to the mother as

Mary SMITH late Jones, formerly Bloggs

where she was born Bloggs, married a Jones and subsequently marries a Smith

formerly is simply a way of saying previously - it may or may not be the name she was born with.

who and what are you looking for, where and when?

Unable to find a marriage, which would have taken place in the mid 1800s, I suspect it may have been a second marriage for the bride.

On their child's birth cert., under mothers name, but above the actural surname, is handwritten the word formerly. Would the inclusion of the word formerly be an indication of a previous married name?

And, when searching the indexes, (I use Free BMD) is there a way of finding or recognizing such marriages that I have overlooked?

Thank you,

Judy