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Hi There Ozbird,

How do you do it? I started going through the 1903 BMD at AAG right through to BAD last night and just the letter A took me in excess of 4 hours! Here you are with the answer already. I will be in your debt for ever at this rate. Thank you.

Regards,

Alwyn

Marriages Dec 1903
Barthorpe Henry Arthur C Elham 2a 2453
...>>>MILLS Fanny Elham 2a 2453
Penfold Margaret Elham 2a 2453
Penfold Peter Elham 2a 2453

Hi Everybody'

Many thanks for your efforts in finding William and Amy Goodyear, and for finding the link between the Mills and Goodyear families - it seems as if William Goodyear married my Gt, Gt, Grandmother after the decease of her first husband James Mills, my Gt, Gt, Grandfather! And moved to Folkestone in the mid-1880's!

My thanks also for finding my late Grandfather's kid sister Fanny Mills. She has turned up in Folkestone, Kent, in the 1901 Census - she appears to have been in service away from the family home, and I believe she married in 1903, but I don't know who to. Short of going through the 1903 (4th Quarter) BMD Marraiges name by name, can anyone suggest anything, another way perhaps?

Very Many Thanks,

Alwyn.

Obviously too early for William possibly his parents.

IGI Individual Record
WILLIAM GOODEAR
Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH EVORY
Marriage: 21 DEC 1822 Micheldever, Hampshire, England
Source Information:
Batch No.: M136672


1841 England Census
Name: Hannah Goodger
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Mitcheldever
Hundred: Mitcheldever (Upper Half)
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: Northbrook

Occupation:

Registration district: Winchester
Sub registration district: Micheldever
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Goodger 40 - ag lab
Hannah Goodger 35
Sarah Goodger 20
Chas Goodger 12
John Goodger 8
George Goodger 2

William with first wife in 1861
(image could say Goodyer)

William Goodger
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Micheldever, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Woodmancot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Basingstoke
Sub registration district: Dummer
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Barnes 20
Henry Box 12
James Box 11
Henry Goodger 7
Martha Goodger 30
Sarah Ann Goodger 5
Susana Goodger 4
William Goodger 34 carter
John Knight 17
George Tibble 27

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 711; Folio: 124; Page: 9; GSU roll: 542688.

The non-Goodyers are all lodgers
Martha and henry are born Stratton, the others Micheldever

Marriage
William Goodger/Martha Whatmore
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Winchester
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 161

Martha's death

Martha Goodyer
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Winchester
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 47

Andy

Amy in 1901

Amy Goodyear
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: 1883
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Folkestone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Eanswyth
Town: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Elham
Sub registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 220
Household Members: Name Age
John Philpot Marsh 48
Marian Marsh 47
Lilian M Marsh 20
Dorothy La Marsh 10
Mabel A Longhurst 26
Margorie Joy 20
Annie Henning 24
Violet Lilian Willey 21
Amy Goodyear 18
Emma Maria Smith 25

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 846; Folio: 92; Page: 37.

Andy

This should be Amy's birth

Amy Goodyear
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Winchester
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 115

the cert would tell you her parents

Andy

Hi there Ozbird,

What a pal you are! What a bloody GENIUS you are! I think you have discovered much more than you think you have. What a star you are!

If indeed William Goodyear had a second marriage, and it was to Maria Mills, I think that this possibly could be my James MIlls widow Maria, who was last heard of in the 1861 Census as a widow using her maiden name os Pearce, aged 29 in service in Isleworth Middlesex.

Just 10 years on she would have been 39 and if homesick - she had left her young son James Walter in Micheldever, with her parents - and returned home to Micheldever and remarried, (to William Goodyear), this would all fit, but is it fact or fancy. It would be nice to think it could be fact, but very little is that simple is it.

If it is James' widow, why no mention of her son James Walter - or did he prefer to stay with his Grandparents who had brought him up thus far - and if it is the right Maria, she wed William just 2 years after the 1861 Census.

I would also love to know when exactly Maria's husband James (my Great, Great, Grandfather) died, and whether in Winchester Prison or in India, as he was in inmate *(1851 Census) prior to his wedding to Maria on 7th September 1851.

Who was William Goodyear's first wife, do we know? Were there any children, and, who was the Amy Goodyear who was staying with the Mills family at the 1891 Census, noted as a niece aged 8? If she was William & Maria's daughter she would have been born when Maria was 51/52! Improbable in rhose days surely.

Another question that arises is whether Maria moved up to Folkestine in the mid-1880's with William, because I can recall no mention of a Maria by either my Father or Grandfather, Uncle Goodyear yes, but no Aunt Maria or Mary that I recall.

Anyway dear, dear Ozbird, many thanks for all of your work, your time and effort, and your encouragement and stimulation.

Kind regards and best wishes,

Alwyn.

Woo Hoo!!

This looks like William's 2nd marriage.

Marriages Dec 1863
...>>>Goodyear William Winchester 2c 212
...>>>Mills Maria Winchester 2c 212
Watkins John Winchester 2c 212
WEBB Ellen Winchester 2c 212

Alwyn, I think this is your Alice.

1871 England Census
Name: Ales Goodcar [actually Goodear on image.]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Micheldever, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Micheldever
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: Boro Hill [In the enumerator's description it is spelt Boro' Hill.]


Registration district: Winchester
Sub registration district: Micheldever
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 88
Household Members: Name Age
William Goodcar 49 - ag lab
Maria Goodcar 39
Ann Goodcar 15
Susan Goodcar 13
Fredrick Goodcar 7
Elizabeth Goodcar 4
Ales Goodcar 3
Mary Goodcar 1

All born Micheldelver.


Perhaps these are the children: I couldn't find Susan.

Sarah Ann Goodyer 1855 Jul-Aug-Sep Winchester [Ann]
William Frederick Goodyear 1864 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester [Frederick]
Elizabeth Goodyear 1866 Jul-Aug-Sep Winchester
Alice Goodyear 1868 Jul-Aug-Sep Winchester
Mary Martha Goodyear 1870 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester

Hi Andy,

Many thanks for your tips and assistance. All this is a bit new for me - I am a rusty silver surfer and find it difficult to keep up with technology. I am still a one-finger typist and I have a dyslexic keyboard - it takes as long to correct spelling and typing errors as it does to type it in the first place!

Cheers for now,

Alwyn.

Alwyn

Haven't actually lived in Skipton for years but 'peaceful' isn't the word I would use for it - the traffic on High Street is still as bad (if not worse) as it was in the 50s when you took your life in your hands trying to cross!!

To find any messages you have posted look at any message and on the left hand side there is a yellow box headed Top Tips. The bottom line in the box is 'My Threads'; click on that and it will show you all the threads to which you have contributed.

Andy

Hi Elizabeth,

Yes, thank God for West Yorkshire, and Andy! It certainly is the Fanny Mills who was my late Grandfather's sister.

Now I can begin tracking her to see if she married, when, who and when she died. I do noy remember by Grandad talking about an Aunt Fanny, so maybe she died prior to the second world war. I have just found that she married in 1903 but I haven't a clue who to!

I would like, someday soon, to seek out all of these family graves in and around Folkesyone (and in Hampshire) and photograph them, likewise I want to prove or disprove my family's assertion that we had a Great Uncle Brusher in the distant past. But I am stuck on William Mills (C.1820), my Gt, Gt, Grandfather's father (my 3 x Gt Grandfather!).

Many thanks for your help and encouragement Elizabeth, regards,

Alwyn.

Hi Ozbird

The Goodtear girls are; Alice (age 13 in 1881C) and Amy (age 8 in 1891C), in these years each was recorded as a visitor to the Mills households in Michdever (1881) and Sparsholt (1891).

I am trying to eatablish when and how (which Mills girl married a Goodyear and when) the Goodyear family became related to the Mills's as they each appear on those Census returns as niece - visitor. My late father (George F Mills 1907-1996) mentioned many times a 'mysterious' Uncle Goodyear a title which was thought to be more of an honorary title until reading those census returns.

Hope this helps, many thanks, (my cousin Wendy in Oz speaks highly of your assistance thank you!).

Regards,

Alwyn.

Hi Andy,
Is Skipton still that nice peacefull country market town that I used to take coach loads of passsengers to way back in the 1970's? I hope so, as it was so nice, and so typically Yorkshire - I lived in Hull at the time!

Many thanks for your message. Yes indeed this is my missing Fanny! I assume that she had gone into service after the family moved from Sparsholt, Hampshire, to Folkestone, Kent, circa 1893-1896. She doesn't appear on the 1901 Census for the family home at 4 Broadmead Road, Folkestone. This would explain why she is in the Moody household. Does there happen to be any address in Folkestone?

I think I have found Fanny Mills registration of marriage in Q4 1903, Elham District, Vol 2a, Page 2453, so I presume she was married in Folkestone (Elham being the Reg.Dist for Folkestone), but how can I find out (without a surname) who she married, & any children and dates od decease?

Many thanks again Andy, regards,

Alwyn.


PS. Andy, any idea how I can find two messages I put on this message board over the weekend, seeking info on a Frederick William/William Frederick Goodyear (who married a Mills girl - but which one and when) as they appear to have simply disappeared, and I don't want people replying to something that I cannot find to respond to!).

Alwyn,
It looks as if Andy has found her for you in the 1901 census mis-transcribed!
Bet

Hi Elizabeth,

I have tried under Briggs and Eldridge in the 1901 Census but diddly-squat as they say, so it looks as if I will have to buy another certificate after all!

Regards,

Alwyn.

Alwyn, will you give us more information on the Goodyear niece in 1871? Then we can go searching.

1901 - mistranscribed

Fannie Moody (image says Mills)
Age: 19 (17 on image)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Deow Sparshatt, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Folkestone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Elham
Sub registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 255
Household Members: Name Age
Fannie Moody 19 general domestic
Mary Moody 51 lodging house keeper

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 847; Folio: 112; Page: 46.

Andy

Dear Alwyn,
I hope you don`t mind me asking ,but your William Mills,do you know if at some point, he could have lived in Southsea, and had a daughter called Mary born around 1830.
I would be pleased to hear from you.
G M Ford.
P.s there are Mills family in gosport.