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Thanks for all your help Sue - I am now encouraged to search a little more on the sites you have sent, and not give in to despair at this branch of our tree...I love that we have found a skelly.

Dad has passed on so no doubt he now knows more than we do!

Cheers Margaret.

One last thing -
Samuel and Agnes (b. 1855-m. 1877 d. 1918) had children, George, William, Anne and Samuel.

Samuel and Margaret had children:

Samuel, Tom, Margaret, Ruth, Alice and Hannah...most of whom I knew.

How odd is that ... did Margaret perhaps bring her children to the union? Then which Samuel is my Grandpa?

Margaret.

To search for Births, marriages and Deaths go to

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

then use the codes to order certificates on this site

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/

Sue
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LOL

This is a minor thing compared with the scandals in my tree!!!

If you think elderly relations can't cope don't tell them but doing family history often means uncovering truths our ancestors thought they had buried.

Sue
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Well done - so I think I will leave well alone and not delve too deeply .... I wonder if my saintly Daddy knew about this!

Thanks for all your help Sue.

Regards.

Margaret.

Marriages Mar 1877
Widdowson Samuel Camm Basford 7b 136

Deaths Sep 1896
Widdowson Agnes 42 Doncaster 9c 430


No marriage for a Samuel Widdowson to a Margaret anything apart from one in Derbyshire and far too early!
Marriages Dec 1858
Wheeldon Margaret Chapel En Le Frith 7b 1007


Ok what this means in my opinion is that we are indeed looking at one Samuel and that he did marry Agnes.

Divorce was almost unknown for ordinary people. I think they separated and he later lived with Margaret as married.

Sue

Come to think of it - there is a story in the family that tells of Samuel living with his daughter while Margaret was still alive and raising her family, including my Dad...perhaps there is something to that story.

Margaret.

Hm! Makes me wonder too, but how would that explain his marriage to Agnes Mary Bowley?

According to the other tree, from that union came my Dad's Pa and from then on the tree is correct.

I will try to find out if Samuel and Margaret had a marriage cert.....where they issued back then?

I am new to this (had you guessed?) ... so forgive my silly questions.

Do appreciate your help.

Margaret.

Without doing much more digging I would guess Samuel may have married the woman on the other person's tree but later was living as married with Margaret.

Just going to follow a hunch........be right back!

Sue

I would say there is only one couple.

Forget whatever someone else has on their tree. Without the paper proof it means nothing.

Looks rather to me as if Samuel and Margaret were not actually married.

Doing family history can bring up all sorts of secrets and I think you may have uncovered one.

Sue

I can see no marriage of a Samuel Widdowson and Margaret Dickinson or Dickenson

Sue

I know - what are the odds? But another person on Genes has the same Samuel and Mary Ann (without the e) and more or less the same people I have but she has their son Samuel marrying Agnes Mary Bowley in 1877 .... whereas our Samuel married Margaret Dickinson ... this is borne out by my Dad who was raised by Samuel and Margaret after his Mum left and his Dad died at sea. My Dad died last year at age 101 and he remembers Samuel and Margaret, and also Mary Anne Whitworth (I have her picture) .... so all a bit of a mystery.

Anyhow, don't spend all your time on this if you have other people to attend to.

I just thought I would ask.

Regards. Margaret

This is the only registration and it is to Mary Ann

Marriages Sep 1846
Widdowson Samuel Nottingham 15 830

Are you positive that this is two Samuels both marrying women of the same name?

I wouldn't worry about an e in the spelling.......spellings are very variable in the 19th century but the odds on two men of the same name marrying two women of the same name in the same area looks remarkable.

Sue

Hi Sue:

I think the mix up is with a Samuel Camm Widdowson and our Samuel .... and a Mary Ann Whitworth (without the e) ,,,,, all very confusing.

Margaret.

I think there was a James married an Isabella Walker .... but not sure if these names are right because of the mixed up trees.

Eliza Widdowson Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth: 1849 Nottingham, Nottingham, England

Christening:
Death: 08 SEP 1888

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Samuel Widdowson Family
Mother: Mary Ann Whitworth

George Widdowson Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 1860 Nottingham, Nottingham, England

Christening:
Death: 13 SEP 1889

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Samuel Widdowson Family
Mother: Mary Ann Whitworth

No easy way to find siblings of your Samuel. They are on submitted records so can't access via a batch.

Just by putting in names at random for Widdowson with parents Samuel and Mary brings up some

John Widdowson Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth: 1863 Nottingham, Nottingham, England

Christening:
Death: 29 MAR 1927

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Samuel Widdowson Family
Mother: Mary Ann Whitworth

Going forward to next generation there appears to be a brother

William Widdowson Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth: 1857 Nottingham, Nottingham, England

Christening:
Death: 25 SEP 1922

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Samuel Widdowson Family
Mother: Mary Ann Whitworth