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Hi Denise,
What can i say but THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!
I cant tell you what this will mean to my friend - i have been looking for ages, and although i have Alberts death cert and Wedding cert, and info when he was in Army i couldnt find the correct birth - have ordered 5 certs. I like to think i am organised but you put me to shame.!!!!!!!
I am not at my pc and cant print off this info so ask you kindly will you leave it on for a week please?
I am so excited to have the info, i get as much pleasure finding correct info for my friends as i do for myself.
Many thanks again.
Sally xx

Sarah Ann must be Alberts mother, here is Emily in 1891;

1891 England Census
about Emily Neal
Name: Emily Neal
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lapworth, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Lapworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lapworth St Mary
Town: Nuthurst
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Solihull
Sub registration district: Tanworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred H Davey 40
Jane Davey 37
Edith B Davey 6
Jane Cruttenden 15
Chas H Bebbington 5
Emily Neal 13


It's just frustrating that I can't find a conclusive marriage or 1901 census for her.

Dee x

OK, back to the drawing board;

1881 census shows;

Sarah Ann Mann Mother - Selina born abt 1871 in Lapworth, Warwickshire, living in Tamworth, Staffordshire.

Births Jun 1873 (>99%)
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Neal Sarah Ann Solihull 6d 540


this was looking good;

1901 England Census
about Sarah Ann Hough
Name: Sarah Ann Hough
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Albert J
Gender: Female
Where born: Lapworth, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Wilnecote
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Wilnecote
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Tamworth
Sub registration district: Fazeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Albert J Hough 31
Sarah Ann Hough 29
Winifred Mary Hough 7
Reginald Basil Hough 3
Kathleen Doris Hough 1
Hannah Grice 14


But the marriage didn't correspond;

Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
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Hough Albert John Tamworth 6b 475
Mann Sarah Ann Tamworth 6b 475


But the nearest birth for Sarah Ann Mann is;

Births Sep 1870
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Mann Sarah Ann Solihull 6d 480


So did our Sarah Ann marry under the name Mann??? Now my G G Grandmother was susan Osbourne, however she married under the name Horsman, so we can't rule this one out yet.


Dee x

1891 England Census
about Sarah A Neale
Name: Sarah A Neale
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Sapworth, Warwickshire, England <<<< (Lapworth)

Civil Parish: Hornsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Dowdeswell 34
Kate E Dowdeswell 31
Harry C S Dowdeswell 10
Grace M Dowdeswell 8
John H Dowdeswell 6
Leslie G Dowdeswell 6/12
Arthur W Smedley 34
Albert Browne 30
Frank Browne 25
Harry Browne 18
Sarah A Neale 17 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The 1891 census shows No daughters with Sarah, so we'll work with this one and trace each girl, hoping to find 1 in London in 1891.

1881 England Census
about Sarah Neale
Name: Sarah Neale
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Lapworth, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Lapworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Stratford Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Solihull
Sub registration district: Tanworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Neale 44
Sarah Neale 40
Joseph Neale 16
John Neale 12
Henry Neale 10
Sarah A. Neale 8
Walter Neale 6
Emily Neale 3
Eunice Neale 8 months


EDIT>>>>>> silly me it could only be Sarah A or a very young Emily.

His birth???

Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
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Neal Albert Edward Lambeth 1d 435


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Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Neal Albert Edward Marylebone 1a 598



I would say the June one ties in best.

23 years and 4 months of age on 26th October 1915.

Would make his DOB ??/06/1892


Dee x

Sally,

I've found him!!!!!


1901 England Census
about Albert Neal
Name: Albert Neal
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Lapworth <<<<<<<<<<< Army Records Address
Ecclesiastical parish: Lapworth St Mary <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Solihull
Sub registration district: Tanworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 124
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Neal 60 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Grandmother
Albert Neal 8
Arthur Woodward 21


Going to PM you in case you don't see your thread.


Dee xx

Hi Denise
I hope you get this message - i am sorry i havent been looking on GR for a bit then today i put it on and saw you had sent more info - THANKS. Am waiting for the Welsh part of 1911 Census - am sure i will find Albert then !!!!!
Mind i really need to get the 1921 Census to locate my half Auntie !!! but thats a while off.
Hope you are well.
Thanks again
Sallyx

Sally,

Just a quick thought, have you traced the witnesses on Alberts marriage cert???

Dee xxx

Hi Sally,

Think you're just going to have to sit tight for a wee while until the 1911 census is out, not long to wait, thank goodness!!!!!

I think I could guess what your response was, do it go something like;

B!??!C*S!!!!!!!!!

With his Grandmother Sarah down as his next of kin, it could mean sooooo many things, Mum died, Mum remarried or just Mum married. He could have even been born under a different surname and changed it to the same as his Grandmother.

Sometimes it's so frustrating but lets hope the 1911 census will clear things up.

All the best, Dee xxxx

Hello Dee,
Well thanks for looking but i have that one - when Albert married he didnt have a Fathers name on the cert and even though i haven't spoken to my friends Father recently she tells me her Dad threw out his Fathers Birth Cert because he didnt have a Fathers name on it - i won't say what i said when i found that out !!!!!! but i bet you can guess. !!!
Sally

Hi Sally,

Me again!!!

If his Grandmother lived in Birmingham, there's a good chance he could have been born there, what about this one???

Name: Albert Edward Neale
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Foleshill
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 475 (click to see others on page)


We know he must have been born around June 1892 from his army papers.

Dee xxx

Nudge

Please help me !!!! I have been looking at the War Records and i cant read the year of birth on the Protection Cert and Cert of Identity Records. I have sent off for 4 birth certs and they are all incorrect.
Many thanks
Sally

Happy New Year

NUDGE !!!!!!!

Belated Merry Christmas to you all. !!!!

Even after some very helpful info i still can't seem to find Albert - or his Mother for that matter, it says his Grandmother was next of kin, maybe Mother dead?? I am trying to work out the year of birth on his Protection certificate and Certificate of Identity - looks like 1898 - but first page says he was born in 1892 - i have one more birth cert but still not the correct one. Where do i go from here? the Mulled wine is nearly gone!!!
Also where does it say he joined? Thanks Sally

I was just reading my last message - i didnt put it was Thomas Albert NEALE my friends father.
I will keep looking !!!! Thanks for any help. Sally

THANKS Friends father is Thomas Albert born 1925 in Dolgelley. Maybe Edward is a Bro???? Sally

Hi, again,

presumably your friends father is;

Births Sep 1926

Neale Edward C Lodge Dolgelly 11b 562

I've added this just in case someone else can add further info.

Dee

Hi Sally,

Found a birth for Eliza;

Births Dec 1892

Lodge Eliza Annie District. Conway Vol.11b Pg.448

Your friend probably has this , can only fnd this one and she's born in Wales, so looks promising.

Albert is another story, very elusive. I'll keep looking.

Dee

Me again Denise !!!!
I have found the Neale file at last, its my friends Grandfather the Albert Neale.
He married an Eliza Annie Lodge in Llandudno in 1920 - no fathers name on the cert for Albert. They were both living in Llandudno when they were married, so maybe moved to Dollgellau after.??
Nobody seems to know if Alberts Mother was married- odd ??????
Thanks Sally