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Joan

I'm with you here - Margaret Smith (sorry to any out there but it sounds so unexciting) compared to Margaretta Emily Schmidt

She used Emily as her mother was Margaret

I’ll definitely look at the Fred in 1881 census

Many thanks again
MB

Ah MB
So could it be from Margaretta (Emily) Scmidt to plain Margaret Smith ?????
I think Frederick A Scmidt is a dom serv. in Londons International college in 1881
Joan

Joan

Yes, that's them Emily is Margarette

I have this family on the 51, 61 & 71 Census but not found on the 1881 or 1891.
I know that they changed surname to Smith sometime before Emily's marriage in 1883. So they could be Smith on 1881. I haven't yet looked for Emily (Margarettes) siblings marriages but that may also narrow down the window of when they changed name.

Appreciate your help - many thanks
MB

MB
Am I looking in the right place ?
I have found the 1871 census of Julius and his wife Margarette and children in St George Hanover Sq. but there isn't an Emily b 1863/4. Trying to see if they were with extended family or visiting in 1891
Joan

Joan

Emily Smith/Schmidt Dewberry's
father was Julius Smith previously Schmidt (various spellings on the census) he was a musician/bandmaster

Thanks
MB

MB
What was Emily seniors fathers name on the MC of 1883 ?
Joan

Kay

Thanks very much - but as previously mentioned in this thread - I do have Emily Jnrs birth cert and have already looked at Union Street and they're not listed.

MB

Hi MB
How interesting.........but it is very frustrating I have also searched the 1891...I wonder if they went abroad for a holiday....I know he was a labourer...maybe her parents helped....just a thought..

Regards Vera

Vera

The 1881 is not him - I know where he was in 1881 he was in Egypt he bought his way out of the army to marry Emily.

Yes that's their marriage in 1883 - I have the cert

Its specifically the 1891 census I'm interested in

Many thanks
MB

Hi

I wonder if this is him in 1881 living with his brother

1881Alfred A. Dabery
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 20 Mayall Road
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred A. Dabery 19
Emma D. Dabery 28
William Dabery 27
William G. Dabery 7


Is this their marriage...?

Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CROWDER Thomas Lambeth 1d 796
>>>>>DEWBERRY Alfred Lambeth 1d 796
>>>>DUBREY Alfred Lambeth 1d 796
HEBBERD Elizabeth Spering E Lambeth 1d 796
>>>>Smith Emily Lambeth 1d 796
>>>>Smith Emly Lambeth 1d 796


Regards Vera

Joan

Ummm - good question

Emily - she's of Prussian origan - Schmidt but they changed to Smith - so her marriage cert is Smith. I don't know where her parents were in 1891 - another mystery

Alfred - both his parents were dead

As a matter of interest; Alfreds mother Elizabeth is in the
1851 census as Dewbery
1861 as Dewling
1871 as Devenhay

I only found the 61 and 71 entries as its the address where Alfred was born Upper Charlton Street, Marylebone

MB

Morning MB
Do you know where Emily or Alfred's parents are living on the 1891 ?
Maybe they are with them
Still looking
Joan

Thanks to everyone

No Alfred Bone isn't the same person

Yes, they should be there - I have nothing to suggest they went overseas, the children born in London; Alfred & Emily (senior) married in London; the 1901 census has them living in Plumstead (SE London). But they’re nowhere to be found in the 1891 census - yes very frustrating.

Does anyone have any stats on % of missing info from 1891 census etc?

Many thanks
MB

Also Alfred Bone, deaf & dumb upholsterer, is on the 1901 census.

Alfred Bene is a deaf & dumb uphosterer. Alfred Dewberry is a labourer at the arsenal with no sign of being deaf & dumb. So I don't think so, but isn't it frustrating when you can't find them & know they should be there?

Ozi.

Still coming up with nothing sorry
Joan

Joan

Emily birth cert: 41 Union Street Marylebone
MB

Not having any luck with matches on Findmypast either

Hi MB
I'm ' blue in the face now ' Can't find them either.
Where were they on Emily's birth cert ?
Joan

Joan

Thanks but I'll ready have bmd certificates for all four of them.

I'm just intertested to find them on the 1891 census

Thanks
MB