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I would say it is the first Sarah - it's the names - the commom link to others , like Hannah

1841 England Census
Name: Sarah Travis
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Regent St

Occupation: Cotton dresser

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Wardleworth
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Travis 60 - ag lab
Ann Travis 60
Mary Travis 25 - Linen cleaner
Hannah Travis 20
Esther Travis 18 - Cotton dresser
Sarah Travis 15 - Cotton dresser
John Travis 14

or

1841 England Census
Name: Sarah Travis
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Gaucholme or Gauxholme

Occupation:

Registration district: Todmorden
Sub registration district: Todmorden
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Travis 55 - grocer
William Travis 35 - spinner of cotton
James Travis 30 - spinner
Sarah Travis 20

Next household is this family. Perhaps relatives of Hannah's John.
Name: Israel Greenwood
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Gaucholme or Gauxholme

Occupation: labourer

Registration district: Todmorden
Sub registration district: Todmorden
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Israel Greenwood 60
Bee Greenwood 40
Mary Greenwood 35 - spinner of cotton
Thos Greenwood 25 - labourer
Mary Greenwood 30
John Greenwood 12- spinner of cotton

No relationships in 1841. I've orderd them as on the census so I wonder if John is Mary's son, Israel's grandson. This John is too young but Hannah's John could be a relative.

Births Dec 1849
GREENWOOD Hannah Rochdale 21 643

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Births Mar 1850
Greenwood Hannah Rochdale 21 725



Births Jun 1845
GREENWOOD Sarah Jane Rochdale 21 955


Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%)
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Buckley Lucy Rochdale 21 443
Buckley William Rochdale 21 443
CHADWICK Sally Rochdale 21 443
DUCKWORTH John Rochdale 21 443
>>>>GREENWOOD James Rochdale 21 443
HANSON Edward Rochdale 21 443
Howarth Betty Rochdale 21 443
>>>>Travis Sarah Rochdale 21 443



or
Marriages Dec 1846
Banks Agnes Rochdale 21 555
>>>>Blomley Sarah Rochdale 21 555
Bowcock Mary Rochdale 21 555
Briggs Alice Rochdale 21 555
>>>>Greenwood James Rochdale 21 555
Harrison James Rochdale 21 555
Law Thomas Rochdale 21 555
Ogden William Rochdale 21 555
WRIGLEY Samuel Rochdale 21 555

Well I cannot believe the luck on this thread - how good is that - mine tend to run into them brick things - wonder where she's popped of too in '71 - grandmas with a bit of luck - but I doubt ;-))

Thanks loads Ozzi
So appreiated
Deb x

P. s I cant wait to tell my nan

Here's missing James in 1851.

1851 England Census
Name: James Greenwood
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rickergate
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street address: Brunton Place

Occupation: millwright (journeyman)

Condition as to marriage: married

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 5c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Fisher 28
Joseph Fisher 55
Mary Fisher 53
Mary Fisher 8
Mary J Fisher 7
James Greenwood 28

Hannahs are often called Ann.

1861 England Census
Name: Anne Greenwood
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochdale St Chad <<<<<<<<
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 44 Molesworth St

Occupation: - woollen piecer

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Within
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
James Greenwood 38 - millwright
Sarah Greenwood 37
Sarah J Greenwood 15 - woollen weaver
Alice Greenwood 13 - woollen piecer
Anne Greenwood 11
Martha Greenwood 8 - scholar
Thanos Greenwood 6 - scholar
John Greenwood 3 - scholar
James Greenwood 1 Mo

All born Rochdale.


Not at home in 1871.
1871 England Census
Name: Alice Greenwood
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 44 Molesworth St

Occupation:

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Nearer
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
James Greenwood 49 - millwright
Sarah Greenwood 46
Sarah Jane Greenwood 25
Alice Greenwood 23
Martha Greenwood 18
Thomas Greenwood 16
John Greenwood 13
George Greenwood 6

Does this sound silly - the Hannah with sister Alice sounds right then having named her daugter after her sister

Ozzi
Hannah is always stated as born 1850 Rochdale isnt she
27. HANNAH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 APR 1850 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
I just think its her ;-)) parents James & Sarah
But then ?

Then also thinking Sarah was a nee Brierley or Shaw

1851: Hmmm, which one?
Hannah Greenwood William, Ann abt 1850 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Daughter Butterworth, Lancashire

Hannah Greenwood Sarah abt 1850 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Daughter Castleton, Lancashire



This one seems to be the right area.
1851 England Census
Name: Hannah Greenwood
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Oldham Road

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Without
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Greenwood 25 - head, married; Housekeeper
Sarah Greenwood 5
Alice Greenwood 4
Hannah Greenwood 1

All born Rochdale



However this one's parents were born in Holmfirth,
1851 England Census
Name: Hannah Greenwood
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Butterworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Milnrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Crossgates

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Butterworth Freehold
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
William Greenwood 37 - Flannel Weaver
Ann Greenwood 35
James Greenwood 15
John Greenwood 14
Joseph Greenwood 12
Abraham Greenwood 9
Elizabeth Greenwood 4
Hannah Greenwood 1

Now also if I have searched IGI right Hannah nee Greenwood's parents are Sarah & James

This is John's grandmother isnt it - woohooo , clever you ;-))
Now that doesnt happen all that often for me to get a fluke census taking me another step back

Aren't you lucky!

1851 England Census
Name: John Marshall
Age: 5 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Holmfirth, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Wooldale
Ecclesiastical parish: Holmfirth
Town: Holmfirth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Back Lane

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub registration district: Honley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Beaumont 40 - Laundress; Askridge
Hannah Beaumont 7 - daughter; Holmfirth
Thomas Marshall 23 - son-in-law; Woollen Weaver; Holmfirth
Ann Marshall 18 - laundress; Holmfirth
John Marshall 5 Mo -



Marriages Dec 1850
>>>Beaumont Ann Huddersfield 22 331
Fawley Job Huddersfield 22 331
Hainsworth Ben Huddersfield 22 331
Hallas Mary Ann Huddersfield 22 331
Kaye Benjamin Huddersfield 22 331
>>>Marshall Thomas Huddersfield 22 331
Noble Mary Ann Huddersfield 22 331
Swallow Mary Ann Huddersfield 22 331

Not found them together as John was married in 1871 & David wasn't born in 1861, but matching family.

1861 England Census
Name: John Marshall
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Holmfirth, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 5 South St

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Marshall 33 - Woollen Manufacturer on Commission; Holmfirth
Ann Marshall 29
John Marshall 10
Herbert Marshall 9
Robt Marshall 6
Martha Marshall 2
2 Elder children born Holmfirth, 2 younger born Manchester.



1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Marshall
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hepworth, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Broughton
Ecclesiastical parish: Church of the Ascension
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 6 River St

Occupation: Yeast dealer

Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Broughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Marshall 43
Ann Marshall 40 - Hepworth
Robert Marshall 15
Bertha Marshall 11 [Martha???]
>>>David Marshall 9
Thomas Marshall 5
Harry Marshall 3

All children born Manchester except Harry, Rochdale

Thankyou Ozzi & Vera
now to see if John can be found backwards hopefully with a brother David

That did cross my mind too ;-)

This looks better, perhaps the other 1871 is his parents.

1871 England Census
Name: John Marshall
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Holmpoth, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Northowram
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 11 Bank St

Occupation: Smith at Engine Works

Registration district: Halifax
Sub registration district: Northowram
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members: Name Age
John Marshall 21
Hannah Marshall 21 - Rochdale

LOL , SNAP ! ;-))

I think (would say) I have the family in the '81 showing a David listed as brother of John so I gues at least thats 1 step nearer finding John's parents - me thinks

1881 England Census
Name: John Marshall
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Holmfirth, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 13 Carthage St

Occupation: Ornamental Blacksmith

Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Marshall 31
Hannah Marshall 31
James G. Marshall 3
Ada A. Marshall - 8 months
David Marshall 18 - brother, Blacksmith's Apprentice; Rochdale

Hmmmm!