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found this in search
" Roman myth, he is Favonius, the protector of flowers and plants"

being a botanist perhaps that is where his wifes name has come from!
From wikipedia
Zephyrus' Roman equivalent was Favonius, who held dominion over plants and flowers. The name Favonius, which meant "favorable", was also a common Roman name.

Thanks Sylvia, Real mystery this one.

Hi Freddie

I did look a few days ago, but all I could find was him age14 ..... and then he was in lodgings



sylvia

Have been talking to one of my Tully Cousins and he has been having the same problem finding this family.We both think he was probalby born in Lancashire and a mistake made on his death certificate when his children assumed he was born in the area they were. Can anyone find William with his parents in Lancashire??

Hi Again Sylvia, I have tried looking for a birth in Lancashire, but can't find him. Bought some credits and tried looking at a few 1851 census trying to match with Bdm's from 1847 to 1849, but had no luck and ran out of credits, could not find William with parents listed on Death Certf. On his marriage certf he is listed as a Fireman and his father Joseph as a Coalminer (then as we discussed a Botanist on William's death certf) Have begun to think he may have been born in Ireland or ??? If only his date of birth had been listed on Death Cetf, we might have found him by now. Also wonder if name Tully might be mispelt on birth and earlier census. guess anything is possible with this one. Thanks for you interest, I'll keep looking.(and pulling my hair out)

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1861 Census

Name: William Tully
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Seaton
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Cockermouth
Sub registration district: Workington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members: Name Age
Isaiah Cartwright 49
Thomas Cartwright 19
David Evens 46
James Gill 18
David Hopkins 54
David Hopkins 15
Elizabeth Hopkins 50
Elizabeth Hopkins 22
Jennet Hopkins 20
Sarah Hopkins 12
Thomas Morley 43
William Tully 14 Tin Furnace Man



In 1871 he was Boiler Loader (??) Iron Works



sylvia

Hang on


I've just been looking throught this thread again.

On the 1871 Census that Tracy prosted as reference ...... it says he was born in Ashton-under-Lyme, Lancashire, and was living in Low Spenny Moor in Durham


1871 England Census
about William Tully
Name: William Tully
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England <<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Ferry Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Innocents
Town: Low Spenny Moor




Could that be why we haven't been able to find him .... because we;ve been using the wrong birth place???????????????




sylvia

Thanks Tracy, Have tried googling, and surname searches, closest I can get is maybe Irish but spelt Fovy of Foye. I am afraid I may not be able to solve this one.

Hi Freddie
have you tried to google the surname Fovye, i have and all it has brought up is some foreign listings that i do not understand, it may be russian i dont know. Just a thought
regards
Tracy

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Still have not found out anything more on William with his parents. Beginning to think that despite it saying on his death certificate that he was born in Spinnamore (Spenny Moor??) England, that with the name of Tully, and with his mother's name being Favonius Fovye that maybe he was actually Irish or possibly Scottish??? I know Tully can be an Irish name, but any ideas on Fovye.

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William and Sarah with their children emigrated, not Joseph & Wife.

I did not realise they had emirgrated no mention in any posting till now ,that is why i cannot find any of them on later census, maybe his father had previousley been abroad before he was born and thats why we cannot find him with his wife.

*Tracy*

Sylvia, thanks for the info on the botanist bit, seemed strange to me, but your explanation might be the answer there, as it was William's son that supplied the info on the death certf., and since he was an infant when they emigrated to Australia he probably never met his grandparents. Seems to be the problem that once they emigrated to Aus they never spoke about their families back in England.

Tracy, the witnessess were his father in law Robert Scott and Jane Scott, Sarah's sister. It does not say that Joseph is deceased, so presume he was alive.

Freddie
I Take it that on williams marraige cert that joseph was still alive !
Also who are the witnessess on the cert
*Tracy*

I could perhaps explain the coal miner vs botanist conundrum

I come from the North of England, and through the 1800s, and even into the 1920s and 30s, it was very very common to find people in jobs such as coal mining or the cotton/woollen mill, who had taught themselves science, and become very well thought of amateur naturalists, botanists or zoologists ....... their fate in life was to work hard, their dream was out on the moors.

So he could very well have wanted to use botanist to describe himself.

OR it could be that the person who informed on his death only knew him in his amateur capacity as a botanist ...... after all, the information on any UK birth certificate is only as good as the knowledge of the informant.


As a personal story .......... the vicar of the last parish I lived in in England was probably the very last of the amateur naturalist priests. Being a vicar was very much a sideline for him!

He loved to be out on the moors, teaching young people geology and botany. In 1958, he discovered that I was specializing in Zoology and Botany at the high school. He used to visit the house regularly, bringing dried plant specimens for me to see. It actually turned me off botany, although I did eventually return to it.

In the 1980s, I met a well-known British plantsman visiting here in Canada .... and it turned out that he had been turned ONTO plants by this same vicar (in the parish he was in before he came to my town).


Hope thta this explains a little what might have hapened to your ancestor


sylvia

ooops

I have to apologise to you Fred, I misread the posting from Lewella as being from you ..... I didn't read it properly!

I'm not a complete ass ............ so I'm very sorry. I do like to help people, just seem to get at cross purposes with you!


sylvia