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Hello Alison
I understand you are interested in Norris BUTTLE.
Norris born 1870 was my husband's grandfather's (Bertie James) brother (bit complicated).
I don't know if you have much information about their parents etc. I have some and would send it to you if you are interested.
Regards
Dawn

Thank you jenna i have ordered there marriage certificate so hopefully i can track it down then.

Ali

when was your nan born? it would appear this florence e that i've given you the birth for was your grandfather's sister. i found them through a combination of freebmd and ancestry.

Have pm you

Thank you im not sure where she was born.
i am going to order it today
Alison

Alison
When was Forence Langdon born ?

If you buy their marraige cert it will have both their fathers names on it so then you may be able confirm or disregard some of the info that Jenna has left you.

regards
Tracy

jenna

Thank you can i ask how ddid you find the sibblings ,was it something that comes up connected to my grandad fredrick arthur?

Its got a florence ethel there which was my nans name married to freddrick but her bith date is differant

Thank you
Alison

its the only marriage i can find sorry

1851 England Census
about Joseph Playle
Name: Joseph Playle
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Totham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Great Totham
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: Southminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Playle 39
Emelia Playle 1 6 Mo
Hannah Playle 9
Joseph Playle 44
Maria Playle 14
Mary Ann Playle 16
William Playle 5




1871 England Census
about Joseph Playle
Name: Joseph Playle
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Totham, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Great Totham
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Totham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Burnes 3
Emma Burnes 6
Maria Burnes 33
James Clark 56
Elizabeth Playle 58
Joseph Playle 62





1881 census

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph PLAYLE Head M Male 74 Great Totham, Essex, England Ag. Lab.
Elizth. PLAYLE Wife M Female 69 Great Totham, Essex, England
Maria BURNES Daur. W Female 44 Great Totham, Essex, England Needlewoman
Emma BURNES Grand Daur U Female 16 Great Totham, Essex, England Dressmaker


1891 England Census
about Joseph Playle
Name: Joseph Playle
Age: 84
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Totham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Great Totham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: Tollesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Playle 84
Marin Playle 54


1841 England Census
about Joseph Playle
Name: Joseph Playle
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Great Totham
Hundred: Thurstable
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: St Peter
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Playle 25
Elizabeth Playle 9
Joseph Playle 30
Joseph Playle 11
Maria Playle 4
Mary Ann Playle 7
Sarah Playle 2


maybe the parents marriage isnt right if there were children born before it

probably thirza

1861 England Census
about Thurny Playle
Name: Thurny Playle
[Thirzy Playle]
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Gt Totham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Great Totham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Playle 49
Emly Playle 11
Joseph Playle 53
Thurny Playle 8
William Playle 15


parents marriage

Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%)
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Playle Joseph Maldon 12 335
Ward Elizabeth Maldon 12 335

for example, here's his father on the censuses with his parents and siblings...


1871 England Census
about Norris Buttle
Name: Norris Buttle
Age: 6 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Willn
Mother's Name: Thirza
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Totham, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Great Totham
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Totham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Norris Buttle 6 months
Thirza Buttle 19
Willn Buttle 24



1881 England Census
about Norris W. Buttle
Name: Norris W. Buttle
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Thirsa
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Totham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Great Totham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Nr. Walden House
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bertie J. Buttle 4
Clifford Buttle 7
Norris W. Buttle 10
Thirsa Buttle 28
William Buttle 34


heres the parents, dont know where norris has gone

1891 England Census
about William Buttle
Name: William Buttle
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Thirza
Gender: Male
Where born: New Sampford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Orsett
Ecclesiastical parish: Orsett
Town: Orsett
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Orsett
Sub registration district: Orsett
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bertie Buttle 14
Clifford Buttle 17
Dorothy May Buttle 2
Ethel Louisa Buttle 8
Lizzie Buttle 5
Thirza Buttle 38
William Buttle 44


parents marriage

Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%)
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BUTTLE William Maldon 4a 380
PLAYLE Thirza Maldon 4a 380

you're welcome. do you need anything else? i can try and get further back for you if you want

I know 13 children i cant believe it thank you al so much

Alison

Deaths of Buttle children:

Norris and Elizabeth's children

Deaths Mar 1910 (98%)
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BUTTLE John Leslie 0 Lewisham 1d 628


Deaths Jun 1915 (>99%)
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BUTTLE Jim 2 Lewisham 1d 1319


Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Buttle Walter 0 Lewisham 1d 1646



Henry and Ellen's children:

Deaths Mar 1925 (91%)
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Buttle Henry G 1 Lewisham 1d 1180
Buttle Norris W 2 Lewisham 1d 1178

All i have to say is, someone's parents were busy!!! 13 children!!! i dont know how they coped!

Oliver's marriage

Marriages Sep 1921 (93%)
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Bishop Florence A Buttle Brentford 3a 346
Buttle Oliver W Bishop Brentford 3a 346

and a child (there will be more but this is all thats on freebmd at the moment)

Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
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Buttle Stanley W Bishop Brentford 3a 133



Norris Austin's marriage

Marriages Dec 1921 (95%)
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Ashby William T Skinner Lewisham 1d 2158
>>>Buttle Norris A Fielding Lewisham 1d 2158
>>>Fielding Winifred M Buttle Lewisham 1d 2158
Skinner Maud M Ashby Lewisham 1d 2158

2 children (again there will be more)

Births Jun 1922 (99%)
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Buttle Victor D Fielding Lewisham 1d 1943

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Births Sep 1923 (93%)
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Buttle Eileen B Fielding Lewisham 1d 1826



Henry's

Marriages Dec 1921 (95%)
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>>>Buttle Henry G James Lewisham 1d 2226
Hasson Wally O'Reilly Lewisham 1d 2226
.>>>James Ellen A Buttle Lewisham 1d 2226


Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Buttle Charles H James Lewisham 1d 1916

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Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
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Buttle Norris W James Lewisham 1d 1868

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Births Jun 1924 (91%)
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Buttle Henry G James Lewisham 1d 1643

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Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
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Buttle Dorothy E James Lewisham 1d 1460


again, probably more children but not on freebmd yet

Thank you all so much

Ali

Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
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>>>Buttle Norris William W. Ham 4a 105
Hawkes Albert W. Ham 4a 105
Knight Charlotte W. Ham 4a 105
Stutchbury Caroline Rebecca W.Ham 4a 105
>>>Tinkler Elizabeth Jane W. Ham 4a 105


fathers birth

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
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Buttle Norris William Maldon 4a 244


mothers birth

Births Jun 1870 (>99%)
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Tinkler Elizabeth Jane Lewisham 1d 837

siblings i presume


Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
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Buttle Oliver William W. Ham 4a 265

Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Buttle Robert James W. Ham 4a 363



Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
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Buttle Norris Austin Bromley 2a 443


Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
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BUTTLE Henry George Lewisham 1d 1162

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Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
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Buttle Dorothy May Lewisham 1d 1152

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Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
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Buttle Nora Frances Lewisham 1d 1220

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Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
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Buttle Frederick Arthur Lewisham 1d 1146

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Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
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Buttle Elizabeth Annie Lewisham 1d 1118

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Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
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BUTTLE Charles Eric Lewisham 1d 1169

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Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
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BUTTLE John Leslie Lewisham 1d 1083

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Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Buttle Florence E Lewisham 1d 1055

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Buttle Jim Tinkler Lewisham 1d 2042

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Births Mar 1915 (99%)
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Buttle Walter Tinkler Lewisham 1d 2073

i'm guessing your grandad had a brother called henry g buttle and he married ellen james

Marriages Dec 1921 (95%)
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>>>Buttle Henry G James Lewisham 1d 2226
Hasson Wally O'Reilly Lewisham 1d 2226
>>>James Ellen A Buttle Lewisham 1d 2226