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LancashireAnn im going to send you message with certs attatched so you can have a look x

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Tracy's reference for Eliza in 1891
1891 England Census
Eliza Hirst Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Hirst
Mother's name: Mary A Hirst
Gender: Female Where born: Berry Brow, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Almondbury Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Town: Berry Brow County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Occupation: woollen spinner
Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Almondbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 3563 Folio: 102
Page Number: 34
John Hirst 71
Mary A Hirst 68
Eliza Hirst 34 woolllen weaver
Frank V Hirst 32
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3563; Folio 102; Page 34; GSU roll: 6098673.

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Same family in 1871, note Frank's surname, except it is probably just an approximation:
1871 England Census John Hirst
Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Hirst
Gender: Male Where born: Honley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Almondbury Ecclesiastical parish: Armitage Bridge
Town: Berry Brow County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Almondbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 10f Household schedule number: 156 Piece: 4358 Folio: 73 Page Number: 28
John Hirst 50
Mary Ann Hirst 48
Mary Hirst 21 dau
Elizabeth Jane Hirst 14 dau
Frank Nickerson 13 son
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4358; Folio: 73; Page: 28; GSU roll: 846991.

Frank back to Hirst in 1861
John Hirst
Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Hirst
Gender: Male Where born: Almondbury, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Almondbury Ecclesiastical parish: Armitage Bridge
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Almondbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 9 Piece: 3256 Folio: 76 Page Number: 2
John Hirst 41
Mary Ann Hirst 38
Sarah Ann Hirst 15
Mary Hirst 10
Eliza Hirst 4
Frank Hirst 2
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3256; Folio: 76; Page: 2; GSU roll: 543103.

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1851 England Census
John Hirst Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Hirst
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Honley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Almondbury County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Almondbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k Household schedule number: 167 Piece: 2294 Folio: 269 Page Number: 40
John Hirst 31
Mary Ann Hirst 28
Sarah Ann Hirst 5
Mary Hirst 11 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2294; Folio: 269; Page: 40; GSU roll: 87490-87491.

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baffled even more now :(

Hi Tracey I have deleted the 1901 thread
:-)

from the birth certificate I would definitely say Inze's mother's name was Electa and as there was no father named she was unmarried

It was fairly common for someone to make up a father's name on a marriage certificate if they were born illegitimate so Inza may just have picked her step-father's name.

for info William Hirst on the marriage cert was a hairdresser

just re-read your other thread

William Hammond Parker who married Electa/Electra Hirst was ..... a hairdresser

as that is not a terribly common occupation for a man I would not have thought at that time I would say William Hirst from the marriage certificate and William Parker are one and the same person

So are we back to this family?
1871 England Census
Thomas Hirst Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Hirst
Gender: Male Where born: Elsecar, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Wombwell Ecclesiastical parish: Elsecar
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Barnsley Sub-registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 60 Piece: 4650 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13
Thomas Hirst 28 Blacksmith
Jane Hirst 27
Lucy Hirst 5
Arther Hirst 3
Elestar Hirst 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4650; Folio: 10; Page: 13; GSU roll: 848412.

yes, this is the bit that is confusing me, mainly thomas and jane hirst...............and the children i would belive to be theres , but were is their lace in all this , as i dont know the connection to who the two are, obviously not inzes parents??

so confusing this is . did you get the mail of the certificates ?
x

Patchem - I would think so - wish I had more unusual names with my Jones (on both sides of my family!)

off to bed now - back tomorrow

looked at certificates and have replied above - mother Electa so back to Thomas & jabe a Inze's grandparents

If Electra is Inse's Mother, she is the daughter of Thomas and Jane in 1871.

Thomas before marriage, (cannot load image to see if he is a blacksmith)?
1861 England Census
Thomas Hirst Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alfred Hirst Mother's name: Elizabeth Hirst
Gender: Male Where born: Elsecar, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Nether Hoyland Ecclesiastical parish: Elsecar
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley Sub-registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 60 Piece: 3451 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13
Alfred Hirst 44
Elizabeth Hirst 44
Elizabeth Hirst 23
Thomas Hirst 18
William Hirst 14
Mary Hirst 11
Catherine Hirst 9
Ada Hirst 1
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3451; Folio: 10; Page: 13; GSU roll: 543134.

Ps Frank Gibson born 1880 his father is jubal Gibson.............


in simple lame terms can you tell me the breakdown of the big list you sent me lol. why would frnak have a different surname ect.............. and did he marry twice also????

oh my days all so confused now, think i will go to bed and return tomoz.................coz what i have on my tree is all so wrong then...............


getting to the no patients way out now, so mumbled jumled ,..................

who is the daughter of thomas and jane ???? inze or electra lol


ooops i bet im doing some heads in, any way you can answer, but then im leaving it for tonight, will swindle on summat else haha....


i appreciate all yr patients on here trying to help me out..............

xxxxxxx

Elizabeth is married in 1851, Alfred elsewhere?
1851 England Census
Elizabeth Hurst Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: Hoyland, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hoyland Nether Town: Hoyland County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley Sub-registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Household schedule number: 184 Piece: 2333 Folio: 142 Page Number: 52
Elizabeth Hurst 35
Jane Hurst 10
Thomas Hurst 8
Arthur Hurst 6
William Hurst 4
Mary Hurst 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2333; Folio: 142; Page: 52; GSU roll: 87577.

Frank is in the family that you posted the reference to in 1891.
That is probably the wrong family.

Inse's Mother is Electra (1870), and Inse (1889) is probably illegitimate.
Electra's parents are Thomas (1843) and Jane.
Thomas's (1843) parents could be Alfred (1817) and Elizabeth.

Possibles for Alfred and Elizabeth in 1841
1841 England Census
: Alford Hurst Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Wath Upon Dearne
Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (North Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Street Address: Reform Row, Elsecar
Occupation: coal miner
Registration district: Rotherham Sub-registration district: Wath
Piece: 1329 Book: 10 Folio: 5 Page Number: 3
Alford Hurst 25
Elizabeth Hurst 25
Elizabeth Hurst 3
Jane Hurst 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1329; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Wath Upon Dearne; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 8a; Folio: 5; Page: 3; Line: 5; GSU roll: 464277.

thank you so very much Patchem. ill work on that for now...........

i know some people jump the gun and post some things i dont really need , or already know and then they go off scale, and sometimes that then gets confusing in itself .

sleep tight speak another time, and thanks xxx

that would of made thomas 13 when he had electra?????? can this be right

No, Thomas would be 27 when Electra was born.

what year was thomas born??? im lost

sorry, im still finding that John and mary are the parents of electra/eliza hirst

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records.page/transcription/e1861household/16975208?searchhistorykey=33012308&surname=hirst&forename=frank

im not convinced that thomas and jane are , as i cannot find any more links that link up the rest of the children to whos parents they have.................

still i might be wrong