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Could this be George Davison?

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Births Sep 1862
DAVISON George Edgar
Hunslet 9b 205

The only George Edgar Davison in the GRO:

Births Sep 1862
DAVISON George Edgar Hunslet 9b 205


The age would be a good match for being Henry's father.

Hi Yes that looks very much like it could be him!

I tried to find a marriage for George to find Henry's mother but had no luck.

I tried to find George & Henry together on the 1901 census but couldnt at all.

I also tried to find a birth for Henry - it states on his marriage cert in 1913 that he was 21 which makes it around 1892 he was born but cannot find a birth entry.

regards

Just one thing to note -- he was married in early March, so it's more likely, statistically speaking, that he was going to have his 22nd birthday later in 1913 than that he had just turned 21 in the early part of 1913. Purely statistically speaking, of course.

He could have turned 21 any time from March 12, 1912, to March 11, 1913.

*If* he reported his age correctly. I did that calculation for a gr-grfather's sister who reported her age as 19 when she married in July 1875, meaning she could have been born as early as July 1855. I searched the untranscribed GRO back to Jan 1855 for good measure. Well, wouldn't you know, she was registered in oct-dec quarter 1854. Making her a good 20.5 possibly almost 21 in July 1875, not 19. But her groom was 19. ;)

So he could have been born anytime from March 12, 1891, to March 11, 1892.

The only Henry with no middle name born during that period was:

Births Sep 1891
Davison Henry Chorlton 8c 741

Of course, he could have had a middle name and not used it when he married.

Thanks for the info Kathryn, I agree with everything you say, (though never would have thought of it myself, I must admit!)

I think I should order that birth certificate and see if the father matches to that on his marriage cert - George Edgar Davison.

If it doesn't match then I know (obviously) it's not my Henry, but if it does I will find his birth date, Mothers name (hurrah!) , fathers occupation, and parents residence !

Hopefully it will help me take a step further back,

Do you think that should be my next move to try that birth cert?

Regards

I think it's worth a shot -- there being no other apparent moves to make!

There isn't a George in 1891 or a Henry in 1901 in that vicinity. The thing to do might be to go through all the possible Georges in 1891 looking for a cattleman ...


Oh look -- in 1881:


Name: George Ed. Davison
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alexander
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Newchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Scout Bottom
Occupation: Cotton Scutcherer

Registration district: Haslingden
Sub registration district: Newchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 18

Alexander Davison 60
Alexander Davison 15
Bridget Davison 58
George Ed. Davison 18
Mary Jane Davison 20


From GenUKI:

HUNSLET REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Yorkshire West Riding.
Created : 1.1.1845 (out of Leeds district).
Abolished : 1.3.1929 (succeeded by Leeds South district).


Birthplace Leeds for George Ed. Davison matches pretty well with that birth record for George Edgar Davison.

The parents in that household:


Name: Bridget Davison
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alexander
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland


Name: Alexander Davison
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Calico Printer


No marriage for them. I wonder whether they married in Ireland -- possibly if Alexander was in the military?

And here in 1891:


Name: George E Davison
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, England

Civil Parish: Hunslet
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country:

Occupation: Engine works labourer
Condition as to marriage: Single

Registration district: Hunslet
Sub registration district: Hunslet
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Mary A Brown 63
George E Davison 28
Jeremiah Lord 39
Milicent Lord 5


That really has to be all the same George -- and he really is the only George Edgar Davison extant.


So we come to the question of whether your Henry was born outside / before marriage, and his registered surname at birth wasn't Davison.

Wow Kathryn - you are an angel !

I could try maybe looking for Bridget's maiden name through marriage (maybe see if anyone here is doing Ireland look-ups) and possibly see if a Henry was registered under her name?

I do have a gut feeling though about that other one!
think i will order it now!

I wonder why he was boarding with people in 1891?

At least I have some more info to try and follow up!

Thank you for taking the time to find out this information !

Now to try and find the possible irish marriage !

I would certainly order that Henry birth cert, just - because. ;) I'm a big fan of gut feelings. Never would have found my mother's paternal line any other way.

I checked the IGI for an Alexander Davison + Bridget marriage, no luck. That's where my Irish expertise begins and ends!

sorry Kathryn can I just ask, you mentioned about looking for a cattleman occupation, it's getting late and I am kinda feeling a bit dim but can I ask how you found out about George being a cattleman??

Regards

Aha. In 1871:


Name: George Davison
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alexander
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Newchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Scout Bottom
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Haslingden
Sub registration district: Newchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 68

Alexander Davison 50
Alexander Davison 5
Bridget Davison 48
Catherine Davison 15 >>> born in Scotland
George Davison 8
Margaret Davison 12
Mary Jane Davison 10


I'd try scotlandspeople for the marriage and the birth of Catherine.


The household in 1861 in Hunslet:


Alexander Davison 41
Bridget Davison 38
Catharine Davison 5 - born in Scotland
Eliza A Davison 16 - born in Glossop, Derbyshire
Margrett Davison 3 - born in Scotland
Mary Jane Davison 5 Mo - born in Hunslet
Robert Davison 14 - born in Motram, Cheshire
Patrick Doyle 27 - boarder, born in Bolton, Lancashire


I always wonder whether a boarder like that might be a wife's brother.

Sorry, not cattleman -- dairyman, which you had from Henry's marriage cert.

That's quite clear, is it, on the cert? No chance it says engineman?

My bet for Alexander in 1841, given the place of birth of daughter Eliza c1845:


Name: Alexander Davison
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Glossop
Hundred: High Peake
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hayfield and Glossop
Sub registration district: Glossop

Alexander Davison 20
Betty Dobson 20
John Dobson 35


Occupation block printer -- consistent with calico printer in later census.


Always keeping in mind that until we find the missing link with Henry, we don't know that George Edgar Davison, apparently the son of this Alexander Davison, is your George!

Wow again,
Thank you Kathryn for your help again,
I never would have found this myself !

So where can that link between Henry & George be established do you think,would it be birth cert? cos obviously there is no 1901 census naming them together.

One thing I must add though:

Henry born 1892ish
Henry married in 1913 & it stated father deceased.

So in that time between 1892 or a little before (after conception but before birth of Henry) & 1913 George must have died....

I've searched for deaths between 1891 and 1913 and can't see any obvious candidate for George Edgar!

And yeah, you pretty much need:

- Henry's birth cert
or
- George's marriage cert + Henry in the 1901 census with his mother / George's wife

The second isn't as good as the first, but it would do.

What I'm wondering is whether, assuming that George was married to Henry's mother, Henry's mother remarried by 1901 and Henry is enumerated under her new husband's surname. Not at all uncommon. And if we knew who Henry's mother was, we could search for them that way.

You have a little personal black hole, unfortunately. See what that birth cert says!

Many thanks Kathryn!

I have ordered that cert, so just a case of waiting & hoping that its the right Henry!

As soon as I find out I will give you a PM if thats ok !

Thanks again for all your help!

Just wanted to update as I received 'Henry Davison' birth certificate in the post this morning.....

It isn't my Henry.

This Henry's father was also called Henry....and I know my Henry's father is called George Edgar Davison (from Henry's Marriage cert.

So still stuck with Henry's birth and death registrations !!

Eek!!

Just for info -- I've ruled out this George Davison marriage:


Martha Crookes 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
George Davison 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Elizabeth Harley 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Arthur Pemberton 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding


He married Martha, and they are together in 1901: he was born c 1871.