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24 Jul 2008 19:04 |
Would someone be so kind as to help me trace more information on my gr grandfather George Spittle. I have the following information so far.
Marriage cert: 26 Jan 1911 The Register Office - Fulham, London George Spittle - age 42yrs - bachelor - railway motorman Father: George Burnett Spittle - farm labourer Gertrude Amelia Jones - age 39yrs - spinster Father: John Henry Jones (deceased) - general labourer In the presence of: Fanny Dolby, Joseph Dolby + Elenor Clarke
I have only been able to find him in the 1901 census:
1901 England Census about George Spittle Name: George Spittle Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Gertrude W (should read Gertrude A) Gender: Male Where born: Stoke Newington, London, England Civil Parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 3 Harcourt Street, St. Marlyebone, London Occupation: Railway Engine Stoker Condition as to marriage: Married (he actually wasn't!!!) Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Marylebone Sub registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Ellen M Clarke 33 (this looks like one of his witnesses at wedding) Ann Spittle 2 (my grandmother) George Spittle 30 (this is definitely him) Gertrude W Spittle 28 (should read Gertrude A Spittle) I would like to be able to find his birth registration so that I can find out his mothers name and find out more info on his father so that I can verify this generation and go further back.
Many thanks for any assistance. Rebecca P.S. I am a paid member of Genes + Ancestry.
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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24 Jul 2008 19:13 |
Possible? his age looks like 19 on the form.
George S Spittle Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Son Father's Name: George S Mother's Name: Margaret E Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras Civil Parish: St Andrew and St George Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist Town: Holborn County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Holborn Sub registration district: St George the Martyr ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice G Spittle 2 George S Spittle 38 George S Spittle 17 Henry W Spittle 14 James J Spittle 8 Louisa E Spittle 10 Margaret E Spittle 40 View Original Record
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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 218; Folio 158; Page 33; GSU roll: 6095328.
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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24 Jul 2008 19:15 |
Not sure about that 1891 I posted - I think this is that couple:
Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%) Banks Joseph Strand 1b 854 Scan available - click to view HANN Annie Maria Strand 1b 854 Scan available - click to view SPITTLE George Samuel Strand 1b 854 Scan available - click to view Upson Margaret Emma Strand 1b 854 Scan available - click to view
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24 Jul 2008 19:17 |
Some sort of connection maybe?
Births Jun 1901 (>99%) SPITTLE George Barnett Marylebone 1a 553 Scan available - click to view
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24 Jul 2008 19:20 |
Not much help right now - but these could be relatives
Marriages Jun 1841 (>99%) **** BARNETT Hannah Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view BERREY David Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view Holland Ann Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view MAGUIRE Charles Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view Milner Henry Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view MUIRHEAD Mary Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view **** SPITTLE Samuel Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view THORNHILL Mary Walsall 17 228
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24 Jul 2008 19:20 |
1891 cencus?
Name: George Spittle Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Brother Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Stoke Mandeville, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Fulham Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Greening 20 Albert E Spittle 4 George Spittle 20 engine? Joseph Spittle 31 brother Mariam Spittle 35 Marrian C Spittle 7 Sarah Weston 60
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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24 Jul 2008 19:22 |
mmmm - found this on the family search site:
Barnett SPITTELS Head M Male 45 Stoke, Buckingham, England Ag Lab Ann SPITTELS Wife M Female 42 Ivinghoe, Buckingham, England Ag Lab Wife Edwin SPITTELS Son U Male 19 Stoke, Buckingham, England Barman (Inn) London Robert SPITTELS Son U Male 17 Stoke, Buckingham, England Ag Lab Harry SPITTELS Son U Male 14 Stoke, Buckingham, England Ag Lab Rosa E. SPITTELS Daur U Female 12 Stoke, Buckingham, England George SPITTELS Son U Male 10 Stoke, Buckingham, England Scholar Mary J. SPITTELS Daur U Female 8 Stoke, Buckingham, England Scholar Fanny R. SPITTELS Daur U Female 6 Stoke, Buckingham, England Scholar Thomas J. SPITTELS Son U Male 3 Stoke, Buckingham, England Scholar Isaac SPITTELS Son U Male 1 Stoke, Buckingham, England
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24 Jul 2008 19:26 |
This looks like marriage of the 1881 family in Bucks.
Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%) Smith Ann Wycombe 3a 399 Scan available - click to view Spittle Barnet Wycombe 3a 399
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Rebecca
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24 Jul 2008 19:27 |
Dear Jill,
Thanks for your help.
I don't believe this is him in the 1891 census you have posted as Stoke Newington fell under district Hackney and not Pancras. Looking on the map Stoke Newington is on the outer border of north London. Also, he does not appear to have a middle name. His fathers middle name is stated as Burnett which does not begin with an S either. I have the marriage cert of his youngest daughter Ivy Spittle in Hammersmith dated 23 Dec 1934 and again he is simply called George Spittle.
I hope I don't sound rude with the above. I'm just trying to think out loud.
Best regards, Rebecca
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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24 Jul 2008 19:28 |
If on the main page of Ancestry you type Spittle (surname) and Barnett (forename) quite an odd little list comes up.
There must be a connection to your man ...
Jill
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Rebecca
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24 Jul 2008 19:29 |
Jill,
Agree that George S and Margaret married Strand are NOT his. So we can exclude that 1891 census.
Regards, Rebecca
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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24 Jul 2008 19:30 |
That's fine Rebecca - I'm just bouncing info around a bit.
You don't always get middle names/initials showing on censuses by the way. I've discounted that 1891 that I found anyway as they don't seem right.
Jill
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24 Jul 2008 19:31 |
Dear Alice,
With regards to the birth regs in 1871 I don't believe he is the George Spittle in Kensington as Stoke Newington fell under district Hackney according to the UKGEN info. If you know/think differently, please correct me.
Thanks, Rebecca
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24 Jul 2008 19:33 |
Jill, regarding:
Some sort of connection maybe?
Births Jun 1901 (>99%) SPITTLE George Barnett Marylebone 1a 553 Scan available - click to view
He only had 3 daughters together with Gertrude that are known to my father:
Annie Rosina 1899 Marylebone (my grandmother) Kate 1905 Ivy 1908
Regards, Rebecca
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24 Jul 2008 19:35 |
Dear West Country Lass,
I don't think this is him. It doesn't look like he had a middle name and I believe the birth place is Stoke Mandeville for this census extract and not Stoke Newington.
Thanks, Rebecca
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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24 Jul 2008 19:36 |
It's possible that George Barnett (1901) died young. In which case your father may not have known about him.
Jill
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24 Jul 2008 19:38 |
Dear Richard,
I have seen the census extract you have posted, but discarded it as it states Stoke Mandeville and not Stoke Newington as the birth place.
Many thanks, Rebecca
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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24 Jul 2008 19:40 |
Rebecca - do you have any other documentation that tells you he was born in Stoke Newington? If not, then keep an open mind for a while about the Stoke Mandeville findings.
Also, keep an open mind about the Barnett connections.
It may not all help at the moment but it may fit in later with other information.
Jill
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24 Jul 2008 19:42 |
Jill, regarding:
It's possible that George Barnett (1901) died young. In which case your father may not have known about him. Jill
That's something I didn't think of. I will try to trace a deather of this George Barnett on FreeBMD to see if that might work out. Interesting thought. Only question I would raise is that his fathers middle name is spelt with a U = BURNETT and not Barnett. I've seen a lot of different spellings of names, so this might not be so out of key.
I'll let you know if I find an early death.
Thanks, Rebecca
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24 Jul 2008 19:45 |
Jill,
No other doc other than the definitely correct 1901 census that states Stoke Newington. I've seen a real Spittle community in Stoke Mandeville on a lot of census material and I thought I'd hit the jackpot with Richards census posting when I found it 2 weeks ago. Maybe it still could be right. I found the Sarah Weston in it again though and she was NOT their mother as she had other children in another census (which I did not save....).
Regards, Rebecca
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