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I think that could be a very good option Libby - it will also answer my question as to why she died only about 12 months after having David....

Well looks like you got plenty to go.....grand how folks come to the rescue. :) Lovely..

I don't think Mary was married before as i have add the 1851 to match the 1861 that was put up

LOL..Donna thanks for the update..LOL...trying to answer other threads on a different site..missed that post here :)

If there is no more avenues perhaps buying or enquiring about death certificate will give you some more info. Although not sure if mmn will be on it

Deaths Dec 1860 (>99%)
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Hoare Mary Kingsclere 2c 118

thanks for all your help....and my god Bernice that's a big spanner !! Lol

Paul I believe like Libby mentioned that column reads :
'The mark of John Hoar - Father - Tadley.'

Tadley being the place.

Maybe died soon after birth?..if no more info

or maybe minister of John..etc

looks like .."The mother of John Hoar .and maybe "Father Yatley" ?

This is the 1851...

Mary Hoar
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Tadley, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Tadley
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Kingsclere
Sub registration district: Highclere
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Hoar 4
Ann Hoar 8
John Hoar 31
Mary Hoar 23
Philis Hoar 2 Mo
Isaac Pearce 14
Joel West 12


John was born in Farnham as was Alice
Ann was born in Chainor, Oxfordshire
If Ann is Mary's then that will put her a 15 when she was born

Isaac is showing as brother


Births Jun 1842 (>99%)
Hoare Ann Wycombe 6 414

But there is a death for a Mary Hoare

Deaths Dec 1860 (>99%)
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Hoare Mary Kingsclere 2c 118

Oh..Bernice...you had to go spoil it all...lol. :)

Kidding

The mark of John HOare, means he couldn't sign his name.

Here's another spanner in the works, I think Mary was Shaw and that she was married previously, and as she first married before 1837 then cannot find her maiden name!!

I base this on the 1861 where a Frederick Shaw is living with John and Mary and a younger brother who I thought maybe were her sons, she was a few years older than John Hoare. I then looked at 1851 and sure enough Mary Shaw, Widow (and a chimney sweep) has a son Frederick Shaw (and other children) then looked at 1841 and there she is married to James Shaw with a son Francis aged 10 years & Frederick which means she married around 1830ish.

Of course this could be completely wrong.

Kind regards
Bernice

....so..... ??? Eek!

Also...what does that say in the column next to farm labourer?

There is like a small x then 'The ???? of '

Whats that??

As Julie said..could be a M instead of an H

as the H in the mothers maiden name doesnt match the H in the fathers name

BUT...you have proved there is a David Hoar born in the right place and time as on the birt cert..so..?

that's ok ...thought I was going mad....lol

No Paul

ignore that one i put on i was in marriages lol...pc is playing up and thought i was in Births

Moore, moare? Sorry a bit lost...

Where do you think it says moore/moare/moar?

Could this be him in 1861 although father is a widow and image says HOare

1861 England Census
about David Hoad
Name: David Hoad
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Tadley, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Tadley
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Kingsclere
Sub registration district: Kingsclere
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
David Hoad 1
Killice Hoad 10
Lonahan Hoad 5
Alice Hoare 14
John Hoare 47