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Are you sure her name was Nellie, often this was a pet name in that era.

dee

Hi

That's the mothers maiden name

Dee x

dee

What is the Bitters after Colley John L

Bitters ?

Their marriage has 3 entries....

one for her surname, and 2 for his names, using both as the registration surname!

Seems they weren't really sure!

Why is your Gfather stated (according to the birth cert) as being another name other than the Karim Bukhsh gentleman?

if that is her father....

1891 Wales Census
about John Lewis Colley
Name: John Lewis Colley
Age: 7/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Colley 2
John L Colley 23
John Lewis Colley 7/12
Mary Colley 22
Ann Gibbs 50
George Gibbs 51
Charles James 14


1901 Wales Census
about John L Colley
Name: John L Colley
Age in 1901: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Central Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 213
Household Members: Name Age
Gladys M Colley 6
Harry Colley 4
John L Colley 10
Mary Colley 32
William Colley 12


Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
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Colley John Lewis Pembroke 11a 1214
JENKINS Mary Pembroke 11a 1214


hmm is this john jnrs marriage?

Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Colley John L Lewis Cardiff 11a 744
Lewis Jane Colley Cardiff 11a 744

Possible family ???

1891 Wales Census about John Lewis Colley
Name: John Lewis Colley
Age: 7/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
*Arthur Colley 2
*John L Colley 23
*John Lewis Colley 7/12
*Mary Colley 22
the above are all one family

Ann Gibbs 50
George Gibbs 51
Charles James 14

Tracey on the Marriage cert it is written like this:

Name and Surname:
Karim
BUKHSH

Bukhsh is the surname !
Gareth x

A poss link??

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
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Colley Mary G Bitters Cardiff 11a 800


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Colley John L Bitters Cardiff 11a 827


Dee x

OOps sorry yes John Lewis Colley was Nellie's father so my G Grandfather

John Lewis Colley (My Great Grandfather)
Nellie Colley (My Grandmother)
Mohamed Ali (Now David Lloyd) (My Father)
Gareth Lloyd (Me)

According to the BMD 'Karim Bukhsh' was his surname....?

ahhhh and on his actual entry his name is Bukhsh Karim.

Seems someone had the inability to understand which word was his surname and added both...!!

So his name was Bukhsh Karim?

Tracey

EDIT

Oh dear they did have fun, he also has an entry for Karim Bukhsh and Bukhsh Karim

Marriage??

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
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Bitters Emilier F Cardiff 11a 577
Colley John L Cardiff 11a 577 ****
Eyre John C Cardiff 11a 577
Jellings Margaret B Cardiff 11a 577

Dee

A poss for her father;

Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Colley John Lewis Pembroke 11a 1051


Dee

Im sure ive looked at that 1907 Birth Cert in Cardiff but it didnt give John Lewis Colley as the father ?
I will look again though x

Gareth

You have not answered my question....

The name of your grandfather differs to the name of the gentleman Nellie married...
Is there a known reason for this??

Tracey

No nothing I only have my fathers Birth Cert and his mothers Marraige Cert so nothing to say where she was born.

My father was taken to the valleys during the war and was never collected :-(
So he was given the name of David Lloyd which is what he known as today.
He dosent know what happend to his mother ?
Ive been looking for Nellie Colley father John Lewis Colley but cant find a thing ?
Thanks for your help all x

Hi Gareth

The number of times I have received marriage certificates where either or both parties do not know their ages astounds me.

Try this one:

Name: Nellie Colley
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 447

Could this be her??

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
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COLLEY Ellen E Neath 11a 991


Dee

That was me deleting as I was asking completely the wrong question - sorry!

Gareth

Did Karim change his name or does your father have someone other than her husband as his father?

Tracey

My Grandmother's marraige Cert says:
Nellie Colley (19) married a Karim Bukhsh (31) (Marine Fireman) on 14/03/1930 It also says that her father was John Lewis Colley was Deceased (Coal Trimmer)
Karim Bukhsh's father was Rehm Ali (Farmer)

On my fathers Birth Cert (24/01/1934) it says:
Mother: Nellie Karin Bukhsh Formaly Colley
Father: Abdul Gani (Ships Fireman Merchant Service)
Both living at 32 Loudon Square, Cardiff.

I can not find a birth cert here in Cardiff for her or a death cert under the name of Colley or Bukhsh ?
Can anyone help ?
Gareth x