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good afternoon everyone,once again i need your valuable help,im looking for details on parents and brothers and sisters of a samuel martin,b circa 1870 in london,he married a matilda but im afraid i dont have a surname for her,their is another lady on here that possibly has a sister of samuel but neither of us have details on the parents,i need to find out about samuels mother and father,also any siblings to establish a connection,samuels parents i believe may also come from the london area,the problem is there are ALOT of martins and im getting in a tizz! sorry its all so vague,any help much appreciated,thanks

Is he the Samuel Martin b.1870 in Whitechapel -married to Matilda - with children Alfred, Matilda, Harriet, Helen and George. If not, what were the names of his children?

yes its him,thanks

This looks like him. He was a Carman on the 1901.

1891 - Bermondsey - Grange Walk

Samuel Martin - Hd - 57 - Carman - Whitechapel
Elizabeth Martin - Wife - 57 - St.Georges in the East
Samuel A. Martin - son - 21 - Carman - Whitechapel

thankyou,the only thing ive been worried about is that there seems to be so many martins im afraid i will get the wrong one,i did that before with another member and had to wipe it all of my tree! im going to give it a go as like you said the area and dates seem likely dont they? maxine

christina,im very thick,is that 2 samuel martins wriitten there as carmen,sorry!

1871 - Newington - Lambeth

This is him. The family must have called him Alfred to distinguish him from the father.

Samuel Martin - Head - 37 - Carman - Whitechapel
Elizabeth Martin - Wife - 36 - Parasol maker - St.George in the East
William H. Martin - son - 15 - scholar - St.George in East
Alfred Martin - son - 12 mons - Whitechapel
Louisa Martin - dau - 6 - scholar - St.George in the East

so does that mean ive got it wrong about the samuel i asked about,have i got it right about his children or did i get that wrong,im really sorry for keep asking you to explain it all..... i guess im not cut out for all this detective work....

thankyou very much christina,im working the info out slowly,i appreciate your help very much,thankyou maxine

Hi Maxine, I had to go out, but I'm back now. Sorry, that was my fault for leaving the ages off the 1891 census. I've put them in now. It's two Samuels - father and son.

To make sure you don't follow the wrong family again - How far back do you know for sure? Have you traced back to one of Samuel and Matilda's children?

sorry christine i had gone off line too,i havent traced anything back but it seems to fit,maxine

I'm guessing that you had a Gt. grandmother or Gt.grandfather with the surname Martin. Were they Alfred, Matilda, Harriet, Helen or George?

hi christina,sorry i had logged off yesterday,hope your about today,my greatgrandmother was the one with martin as the last name,matilda,thanks i will try and stay on the line this time,it was just my little boys bedtime and he wanted to go to bed then,thanks again,maxine

Hi Maxine, Unfortunately, can't spend much time on computer today. Would love to check this with you though. Do you know if your Gt.grandmother, Matilda Martin, married Richard Hartnett and had children Matilda, Annie and Margaret? Fingers crossed that she did, as I believe that this is the Matilda we have on the censuses above.

Sure you have this already, but just to make sure we are talking about the same family.

1901 - Bermondsey

Samuel Alfred Martin - Head - 31 - Carman - Whitechapel
Matilda Martin - wife - 29 - Laundress - Bermondsey
Alfred Thomas Martin - son - 7 - Bermondsey
Matilda Eliz. Martin - dau - 6 - Bermondsey
Harriet Emily Martin - dau - 4 - Bermondsey
Helen Martin - dau - 2 - Bermondsey
George Charles Martin - son - 7 mons. - Bermondsey


Samuel Alfred Martin and Matilda Lehan (the parents above) were married in 1892 in Southwark

yes,this is them!!! i do appreciate this,i know how precous time is and time flies when your on here!!! thanks maxine

Hi Maxine, So glad we have the same one! So the 1891 census, typed out above, must be the right one. Samuel with his father, Samuel, and possible mother, Elizabeth. Impossible to be sure without ordering Samuel's birth certificate.

I can't work out if he was Samuel Alfred Martin (who I can't see a registration for) or Alfred Samuel Martin (who was registered at Whitechapel in Oct-Dec 1869.) I'm sure his parents called him Alfred, but he chose to use the Samuel part of his name as he got older.

It must be the correct family that I've typed out for 1871 census. So your Samuel (called Alfred by his parents) had a sister, Louisa (registered 1865 at St.George in the East) and a brother William Henry (registered in 1857 at St.George in the East).

Quite a gap between the children though. I wonder if there were others.

Unfortunately, I can't find any of them on the 1881 census. Nor can I see Samuel senior on the 1861.

I'm sure this is Samuel senior on the 1841 census, as a 7 year old, living with his mother.

Whitechapel - Cooper's Court

Eliz. Martin - 39 - ? polisher
William Martin - 15
Ellen Martin - 12
Louisa Martin - 10
Samuel Martin - 7

All the above children are on familysearch.org - IGI - being christened in Whitechapel, with the parents Samuel and Elizabeth Martin.

As I can't find them on the 1861 and 1881 censuses, would you like me to open a new thread, asking for help with this one?

Brilliant! I looked for that for ages.