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1851

Name: Mary McDonald
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Rothesay, Bute
Parish Number: 558
Civil Parish: Rothesay
Town: Rothesay
County: Bute
Address: 29 Gallowgate St
ED: 3
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_116
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Brown 18
Elisabeth McDonald 8
James McDonald 32
Margaret McDonald 3
Mary McDonald 44
Mary McDonald 6




1851 another one

Name: Mary McDonald
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Rothesay, Britishire
Parish Number: 564
Civil Parish: Greenock East
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Arthur St Allons Land
ED: 11
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 22
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1851_118
Household Members: Name Age
Grace McDonald 6
James McDonald 53
James McDonald 16
Mary McDonald 43
Mary McDonald 8



Neither have a daughter Isabella

The 1872 marriage for John Ivison is to Isabella McDonald and not Ross

I presume that she remarried as Alexander Ross had died. Viewed their marriage certificate again, on it it says widow. I agree with you all, the dates are not adding up!

I have just dug out John Ross and Martha Harkins marriage certificate, just to check things. Married 06July1892. Greenock.

It states that John is 24 and Martha is 22. Its difficult to read, it says that Johns father is Alexander Ross, possible a clothing traveller and deceased. It says his mother is Isabella Ivison, formerly Ross, Ms McDonald.

Sorry I have to go out got doctors appointment at 2pm hope you manage to sort things out, will check thread when I come back ok sorry!!

Betty

No I havent managed to find the birth of Alexander, aged 8 on the 1871 census.

No Year Surname Forename Sex District City/County/MR GROS Data Image Extract
1 1864 ROSS JOHN M GREENOCK OLD OR WEST /RENFREW 564/03 0332 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

I've looked at 1864 birth but its not him. John Ross must have been born 1867-1868 as he was 24 on 06jul1892, according to marriage cert.

These are all the births for 1868 up to 1869
you said you already checked them and none were the correct one.

No Year Surname Forename Sex District City/County/MR GROS Data Image Extract
1 1868 ROSS DAVID JOHN WALL M ABBEY LANDWARD /RENFREW 559/02 0022 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1868 ROSS JOHN M PAISLEY HIGH CHURCH /RENFREW 573/01 0246 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1869 ROSS JOHN M CATHCART /LANARK/RENFREW 560/00 0053 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1869 ROSS JOHN M LOCHWINNOCH /RENFREW 570/00 0024 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

Betty

There is no birth in Renfrew in 1867 for a John Ross.

Betty

Yeah Betty, I've looked at all these already and none of them are the correct John Ross...why do you think?

I found the birth certificate for Johns older brother.

James Alexander Ross
Born 01 Aug 1855 in Tradeston, Glasgow,
Address at birth..22 Salisbury Street, Glasgow
Parents..Alexander Ross aged 29 years, warehouseman, born in Parish of Strath (something beginning with In) Shire
Isabella Ross Ms McDonald aged 25 years, born in Glasgow, this was her 1st child.

You mean what do I think!! I don't have a clue on the 1901 census when they are living at 50 Shaw Street the ages are

Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Ross 4
Isabella Ross 5mo
John Ross 32
John Ross 5
Martha Ross 28
Mary Ross 2
William Ross 7

Do you have the death of John Ross? I mean the father who married Martha?

Betty

1861 poss?

Name: Allen Ross
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Strathpeffer, Rossshire
Registration Number: 644/5
Registration district: Clyde
Civil Parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 63 Carrick St
Occupation: Warehouseman
ED: 63
Household schedule number: 18
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_104
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Harvey 33
James Harvey 30
Colin McLachlan 44
Mary McLachlan 48
Dugald Morrison 34
Isabella Morrison 29
Margaret Morrison 2
Allen Ross 30
Isabella Ross 28 Glasgow
Isabella Ross 4
James Ross 6

No I dont have his death either, I dont even know what year to search. I presume that he died in Greenock. John son William, my grampa, got married in 1939, John Ross is marked as deceased on the marriage cert.

ok

1871 just posting this
Name: Isabella Ross
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock East
Civil Parish: Greenock East
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 10 Artigna St
Occupation: Pomacke Servant
ED: 24
Household schedule number: 91
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_98
Household Members: Name Age
James Barnett 57
Margaret Barnett 25
Margaret Barnett 3 Mo
Isabella Ross 13

Wonder if the address is Antiqua?


Still not worked out why the marriage in Greenock

I have checked the deaths on Scotland People and just with his name (no age) between 1901 when he was in the census until 1939 when you already know he was dead by then. There is NO DEATHS on Scotlands People, I used his mothers maiden name of McDonald which you can do but no Death in Scotland there.

Betty

I had a look at scotlands people too, using just his name and 1901-1939. I did get a list, using unrecorded mothers maiden name, but none of the John Ross's are a match. I had though that maybe his first name wasnt John, perhaps he was just known as John, however it says John on his marriage certificate and all his kids birth certificates.