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please could some kind person help me im stuck.Im trying to find my gr.grandfather on my mothers side.All the info i have to go on is his name JAMES HARRISON CROSS and that he was a labourer in the lancashire area at the time my grandmothers marriage in 1924.Ive tried going on the census but to no avail.It also does not help as my grandfather was born out of wedlock.My grandmothers name was Annie Langham dob 1873-1955.I dont know if anyone can shed a light on it for me, but im stumped.Thank you very much for at least looking if nothing else.jude

I'm a little confused, was it your gran Annie or your grandfather ? that was James' child? Is Langham your grans maiden name or married?

im sorry knew i should have waited until I'd woken up properly.Annie langham(her married name) was my great grandmother she was the one who went with James Harrison Cross and eventually came to bear my grandfather whos name was HENRY CROSS.Thank you.jude

Hi Judith
Do you know anything about your grandmothers brothers or sisters - this could help trace them on the census returns

Angela

Also where was your grandfather born it may help if you know where there were living when your grandfather was conceived

It's still confusing, do this family belong to you?

1901 England Census
about Annie Langham
Name: Annie Langham
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: J Walter
Gender: Female
Where born: Newton With Seales, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Walton Le Dale
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Higher Walton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Walton-le-Dale
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members: Name Age
Anthony Cross 23
Hy Cross 3
Albert Ed Langham 14
Annie Langham 28
Elizabeth Langham 16
J Robert Langham 18
J Walter Langham 38
William Langham 8 months


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3957; Folio: 67; Page: 28.

Christine

Hi Angela,I got a little mixed up with my initial statement matter of the typing going faster than the brain.the child born of J.H.Cross and Annie Langham was my grand father Henry cross who was born on 13.01.1898.Its James Harrison cross that im stuck with.thanks for trying to help me.jude.

But wasnt Henrys father James Harrison not Anthony?

Whose marriage cert do you have in 1924?, is it Henry Cross or your grandmother.

Hi everyone can i just say a huge thank you to everyone for the help im over whelmed. I have a certificate of marriage between my grand father Henry Cross and my grandmother Doris Blackburn dated 09.08 1924.all there is for my grandfathers father is James Harrison Cross and that he was a labourer.Unfortunatly i dont have Annie Langhams maiden name sorry. Annie and James Langham went on to have 8 other children that i know of.thanks again

my grandfather henry cross has place of birth as chorley on his birth certificate.All Langhams lived in Higher Walton near preston, Lancashire.thanks everyone .jude

So you have the birth cert of Henry do you?

What does that state for his parents names?

Christine

Hi Christine,thanks for your help.I found my grandfather (Henry Cross) death on the internet through GR,but nothing more than name date and place of death or would that be register of deaths.Im sorry im not very good at all this.jude

Is this the birth reg of Henry from Lancs BMD.


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROSS Henry Croston Preston CROSS CRO/21/59

The mmn is Cross and it is registered at Preston sub district Croston

Hi susan, this is totally confusing,it does look like the name is anthony cross but cant understand why ive got a totally different name on the wedding certificate of my grandparents.Everything else after that regarding annie marrying James Walter Langham fits perfectly. The message from west country lass regarding mr.cross and family must be his marriage after him and Annie parted.Wow i cant get over how everyone has been so helpfull thanks to you all your marvelous,jude

Hi christine,thanks for everything yes thats my grandfather henry cross he died on 05/11/1955.Unfortunatly all my grandparents died before i got into doing a family tree so cannot ask for help from anybody that way.Thankfully all you wonderfull people are helping me no end,jude

The birth reg I just gave you would suggest the mother was unmarried so could be your Annie Cross.

The 1901 for Henry which appears to suggest he is the son of Anthony has just been misinterpreted I think as Anthony Cross is single.

Maybe the James Harrison Cross as father on marriage cert was just invented to appear more respectable.

Christine

Thanks susan,jude

wow what confusion,typical nothing straight forward in my life haha.thanks for all your help and patience im not the brightest button in the box.

The 1901 census image has Anthony Cross as boarder. Hy Cross listed underneath him as son - could it not mean he the is son of Head of family?

In 1881 census posted earlier Annie has a brother Anthony.

I feel Christine is correct in thinking James Harrison Cross may be ficticious