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Thank you for all your help with this.
I'm not sure if Caroline died, that is possible.
I did trace that line, but was told by my grt aunt that it must be the wrong family as their mother was Spanish. Who knows, the BC will certainly help.
A

'Caroline' seems to have been Mary Caroline..........

Name: Mary Caroline Churchward
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newton Abbot
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 124

Possible marriage......though she would have been very young

Name: Mary C Churchward
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's Surname: Rule <<<<<<<<Thomas J
District: Newton Abbot
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 384

Thank you for all the help you have given me with this one.
I now have the birth cert and I did follow the correct line last time round. It does confirm the mother as Ellen Bowering and father as William Frederick Churchward. Although I cannot seem to find anything on Ellen other than the 1891 census with her parents. A possible misspelling of the surname, Bowern, Bouring, Bowring, who knows?
Can anyone help find Ellen Bowering please?
Ax

This the marriage?

Marriages Jun 1897

Bowering Ellen Newton A. 5b 302
Churchward Frederick W Newton A. 5b 302


Tracey

Your probably not going to get anything other than the 1901 posted and the 1891 you have....

If she was born after april 1881 then she will not appear on the 1881 census. Sometimes life conspires against you....!


Tracey

However we should be able to find her family.

Ozi.

Why do you think she was born after the 1881 census? Could this be her?

Births Mar 1880
Bowern Ellen Newton A. 5b 149

The only reason i say she *could* have been born after the April 1881 is the 1901 states 1881.... you know how these things can bite us!

I've had more than a few....

What would be the reason for the name to change so much tho? ....and there are Bowering's on the page also.


Tracey

Is it possible with the father being from Jersey they went back there and thats where she was born?

I cannot see the family on the 1881....



Tracey

Found this on FMP but cannot find a corresponding entry on Ancestry..... does Ancestry not have Channel Isle census's??

BOWDEN, George O Head Married M 54 1827 Retired List Major General
Madras
India
BOWDEN, Isabella W Wife Married F 41 1840
Ireland
BOWDEN, Richard Crandel Visitor Widower M 41 1840 Active List Major Infantry

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5617 Folio:
78 Page:
15

Registration District:
Jersey Sub District:
Jersey - St Saviour EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Saviour Municipal Borough:
Address:
Springfield Road 2 Salvandy Terrace, St Saviour County:
Jersey

Sorry I didn't get back to you, I had to hang out the washing.

I don't think Bowern is that much different from Bowering, if you kind of swallow the 'ing' at the end.

I misread the bit about the birth date. Thought you had some info that she WAS born after April.

Ozi.

Now this is interesting as there's a Caroline in the family.

Marriages Jun 1875
>>>BOWERN Richard Newton A. 5b 262
CARNELL William Newton A. 5b 262
Carpenter Hannah Newton A. 5b 262
>>>LAMBERT Caroline Newton A. 5b 262

I found a William Carnell married to a Hannah in 1881.

Ozi.

Births Mar 1876
BOWERN Agnes Newton A. 5b 167
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Deaths Dec 1876
Bowering Agnes 0 Newton A. 5b 105
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Youngest son from 1891????
Births Mar 1878
Bowern Alfred Francis Newton A. 5b 147

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Then Ellen

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Births Mar 1882
Bowern John Thomas Newton A. 5b 162
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Deaths Mar 1882
Bowern John Thomas 0 Newton A 5b 119
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Youngest child from 1891????
Births Dec 1886
Bowern Mary Caroline Newton A. 5b 150

Eldest son from 1891???:

Marriages Jun 1893
Bowering Henry Newton A. 5b 319
Gliddon Whlemne Maud Newton A. 5b 319
Hooper Charles Richard C Newton A 5b 319
Smith Mary Jane B Newton A. 5b 319
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Then Ellen

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Youngest son from 1891???

Marriages Dec 1901
BOWERING Alfred Francis Newton A. 5b 324
Bowering Alfred Frank Newton A. 5b 324
MELLUISH Mary Ellen Newton A. 5b 324

2nd son from 1891???:

Deaths Mar 1899
BOWERING Richard 29 Newton Abbot 5b 100

????
Richard's wife, Mary, comes from Southampton in 1891.

This may be some kind of boarding house though there's no evidence for this. I've put the household in the order they are on the image.

1851 England Census
Name: Richard Bowning
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands

Civil Parish: Southampton St Michael
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: Simnel St [I think]

Occupation: traveller

Registration district: Southampton
Sub registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Kirby 27 - head; gunsmith
Elizabeth Kirby 25
John Kirby 5
Wm Kirby 4 Mo
Mary Sweet 35 - visitor; hawker
Mary Ann Sweet 3 - visitor
John Sweet 1 5 Mo [image is 17 mo] - visitor
John Brown 70 - visitor; labourer
James Melborne 35 - visitor; labourer
Thomas Dutton 16 - visitor; hawker
Henry Bennett 50 - visitor; labourer
Henry Bennett 16 - visitor; labourer
Elizabeth Bowning 47 - visitor; hawker; Jersey
Betsey Bowning 19 - visitor; hawker; Jersey
Thomas Sweet 8 - visitor; hawker
Caroline Bowning 16 - visitor; traveller; Jersey
Johana Bowning 10 - visitor; traveller; Jersey
June Bowning 3 - visitor; traveller; Jersey [image looks like June, but I think it may be Jane]
Henry Bowning 14 - visitor; traveller; Jersey
Richard Bowning 12 - visitor; traveller; Jersey
William Fuller 25 - visitor; machine maker
Jane Fuller 29 - visitor
Fanny Dibden 24 - visitor; servant
James Jones 39 - visitor; blacksmith
Fanny Jones 28 - visitor
Fredrick Harding 40 - visitor; engineer

Eldest son from 1891???

Births Sep 1866
BOWERING Henry T Newbury 2c 200


Newbury covers part of Hampshire

Births Sep 1911
Bowering Henry Bowering Plymouth 5b 366

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Deaths Sep 1913
Bowering Henry 2 Newton A 5b 138

Wow...what a find, I haven't checked the site for a few days but I can't believe what you've managed to find. Thank you all so much.

I found a marriage somewhere of Richard Bowern and Caroline Lambert 1875, jsut could be a misspelling, they do sound similiar Bowering/Bowern. Do you think then at sometime Caroline died and the Mary appeared on the 1891 census? Possibly after the birth of child Caroline and after the 1881 census., around 1886?
Also the info I took from the 1881 census had the family living in 14 Pimlico, Tormoham, Devon. Richard Bowren, 34 Southhampton
Caroline 23
Henry son 14 southampton
Richard son 7 Weymouth
Alfred son 5 Torquay
Ellen Dau 16 (months?) Torquay

Caroline is not old enough to be the mother of at least Henry???
Thanks again
Ax