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Margaret

you are very welcome!



sylvia

Hi Sylvia - have just checked the extra info you added and the query as to which Presbury parents are which. I agree that in all probability, it is Elizabeth who is Sarah's mother - she is the one living with Sarah on 1851 census together with John age 41 who I suspect is Sarah's brother John. Regarding Peter Belfield. Yes he was born in Belper, Derbyshire as stated on 1861 census. Once I found Sarah married to him on 1861 census, I decided to back-track Peter and found him on 1851 census living White Moor Hall, Belper with wife Hannah 33, and children Mary 8, Harriet 6 and Peter 2. Peter was born Mar Qtr 1949 and Hannah the wife died Mar Qtr 1849 - probably in childbirth. Unless I can prove different, I am happy with John and Elizabeth as parents. You folk on here have been absolute treasures and I am more than appreciative of your efforts. Thank you.

Found it in the Complete Index on ancestry

Belfield, Peter, Derby June quarter 1857, 7b 647


sylvia

here's the marriage registration for Sarah ....but only 3 names, and of course it's Peter that is missing

Marriages Jun 1857 (>99%)

Croyne Margaret Derby 7b 647
Cunningham Daniel Derby 7b 647
Presbury Sarah Derby 7b 647



just going to poke around, see if I can find the missing partner!


sylvia

It also might say if she really was a widow and her former name. Im very suspicious of John Presbury the lodger in 1841, 1851,1861 Perhaps hes the father of the later children

Good point Margaret!

Need to get Sarah's marriage cert to confirm her fathers name

so which is the right Sarah Presbury!!

daughter of James and Joyce or daughter of John and Elizabeth????


She (ie Sarah) is very clear all the way about being born in Tulbury, Staffordshire, which makes me lean to the first one I found, ie, John and Elizabeth. BUT I'm not sure enough of my Staffordshire geography ... never went there even when I lived in the UK!!


sylvia

Joyce certainly lived to a ripe old age

1861 England Census
about Joyce Presbury
Name: Joyce Presbury
Age: 83
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1778
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Rocester, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Newborough
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Abbots Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Joyce Presbury 83



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1956; Folio: 61; Page: 6;

England Census
about Joyce Presbury
Name: Joyce Presbury
Age: 93
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1778
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Rocester, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Newborough
Town: Newborough
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: widow

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Abbots Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Joyce Presbury 93

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2894; Folio: 62; Page: 7;

Christine

Here they are in 1841, image looks like Pressbury, still doesn't help but it's the same area as Sarah in 1841

1841 England Census
about James Poessbey
Name: James Poessbey
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hanbury
Hundred: North Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Abbots Bromley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Poessbey 65
Joiee Poessbey 55


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 976; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Hanbury; County: Staffordshire; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 19; Page: 7; Line: 13;

Christine

This looks like James and Joyce, will see if I can find them in 1841

1851 England Census
about James Presbury
Name: James Presbury
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1775
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Joyce
Gender: Male
Where born: Newborough, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hanbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Uttoxeter
Sub registration district: Uttoxeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
James Presbury 76
Joyce Presbury 72

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2010; Folio: 404; Page: 16

Christine

I found this on ancestry under England and Wales Christening Records 1530 - 1906


Name: Sarah Presbury
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 9 Mar 1817
Christening Place: Newborough, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: James Presbury
Mother's Name: Joice




where's Newborough????????


sylvia

Margaret

go to www.rootsweb.com

enter Peter Belfield in the boxes to the left of the screen.

Someone as a data base for a Peter Belifeild born in Belper, Derbyshire. Unfortunately not wife, just his parents.


I couldn't find anyhting for Sarah



sylvia

Margaret

thanks for the email!


You are very welcome. I enjoy the hunt!!!


Not sure how you will "prove" it though!!!!



sylvia

Gosh Sylvia - I have just seen the info re possible father for Sarah. I was busy typing my previous reply to you and didn't see it. You absolute gem - you have made my day. Thanks a million.

Thank you Sylvia for the additional IGI info. It looks as if they could well be mine as Sarah Presbury did marry Peter Belfield later but he certainly wasn't the father of Mary, Betsy or George. On 1861 census Betsy and George are described as step=children and Mary does not appear at all. I think that they are either (a) all illegitimate children of Sarah or - if we have misjudged her - children of her first marriage. If that was the case, it would make the old Elizabeth Presbury her mother-in-law and not her mother !! I don't suppose we will ever know and unfortunately I don't think I will ever find out who was Sarah's father. Anyway, thank you very much for your help.

I wonder what Mary and Bessie's birth certificates would say???


It would cost £7 each to buy them from www.gro.gov.uk, but could solve the problem



sylvia

Margaret, you are very welcome!!


sylvia

from IGI

Parents John Presbury and Elizabeht, all records EXTRACTED from church records

ANN PRESSBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 APR 1818 Tutbury, Stafford, England

MARY PRESSBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 AUG 1805 Tutbury, Stafford, England

SARAH PRESBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JAN 1815 Tutbury, Stafford, England

JOHN PRESSBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 MAR 1808 Tutbury, Stafford, England


Plus the following two:-

Information SUBMITTED by church member, parents John Presbury and Elizabeth Brandrick

Elizabeth Presbury - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1812 Tutbury, Stafford, England


Information SUBMITTED, parents John Presbury and Elizabeth

FRANCIS PRESBURY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1812 Tutbury, Stafford, England
died 15 March 1892



sylvia

Christine and Sylvia - thank you so very much for your hard work. I have struggled with this for ages ! and Sylvia, I think you could be solved the mystery -perhaps she described herself as a widow to preserve her reputation !! even though she seems to have destroyed it twice over !! Bless you both for helping me.